I'm going to be the unpopular one that people look down at for saying this, but I think it needs to be said.
Does anyone remember the good days of dicing/coppering eq and splitting the cash?
Whats with the handouts? And didnt I work for that money too?
Celara
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Splits, EQ and Cash?
Just depends on who's leading Celara. Most everyone topside dices eq. Actually to be honest, I haven't seen any handouts since the last time Petrock led a group.
As far as the coin thing, yea in most experience groups for awhile it's been evident to me that the leaders are gobbing the money and not splitting :P probably on the premise that you should be tickled to be getting xp.. bastids.
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As far as the coin thing, yea in most experience groups for awhile it's been evident to me that the leaders are gobbing the money and not splitting :P probably on the premise that you should be tickled to be getting xp.. bastids.
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eq split is up to the leader.
cash split??????
You receive you share of experience. TRIG-get coins corpse
i never split cash, unless you are a newbie, in which case that cash actually means something to you and more than likely i have been letting you loot from the start. otherwise i keep all cash looted unless someone says hey, i need some cash im short...
cash split??????
You receive you share of experience. TRIG-get coins corpse
i never split cash, unless you are a newbie, in which case that cash actually means something to you and more than likely i have been letting you loot from the start. otherwise i keep all cash looted unless someone says hey, i need some cash im short...
In most of the groups I've been in, cash goes to the leader. In almost all zones, and in a few exp zones, it's looked at as his reward for leading. A leader has to be active in the group. He can't put on an assist trigger if he has to go to the bathroom. He probably had to spend some time and energy (depending on zone) learing the zone, key words, mob procs, etc. Most importantly, the leader is the one who coordinates the 3-15 players he's leading around into a cohesive fighting unit.
So, usually he keeps the plat. And in dicing groups, the leader gets the slight advantage of knowing where all the bids are before he places his. He can snag an unbidded item, or play the odds however he wants. It's just his reward for putting in effort above and beyond the rest of the group.
- Ragorn
So, usually he keeps the plat. And in dicing groups, the leader gets the slight advantage of knowing where all the bids are before he places his. He can snag an unbidded item, or play the odds however he wants. It's just his reward for putting in effort above and beyond the rest of the group.
- Ragorn
hi 5 pink!
Caz u actually keep 33% just cause?? wow! that's like an outrageous bank interest rate of sorts! I usually use the split command if i lead exp .. unless i forget to split...which i do often... or have to leave mid group ... nothing personal at all ... im just blonde *shrug* ... if people join group i expect them to turn off their looters just as i do when following people ... some xp groups have a ninja type looting .. whoever gets the cash first?? all depends on the group i guess ...
best advice ... define the rules when the group forms ... that way noone gets the wrong idea
i typically annouce who's job is what ... if i am leader i always loot .. well im a phatass Ogre who can carry 10k copper *shrug*
........couldnt believe someone actually applauded me ONCE for having my head on straight .. i laughed HARD!
my 2c
o i also pick up coins if people drop them .. every copper counts ...
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Caz u actually keep 33% just cause?? wow! that's like an outrageous bank interest rate of sorts! I usually use the split command if i lead exp .. unless i forget to split...which i do often... or have to leave mid group ... nothing personal at all ... im just blonde *shrug* ... if people join group i expect them to turn off their looters just as i do when following people ... some xp groups have a ninja type looting .. whoever gets the cash first?? all depends on the group i guess ...
best advice ... define the rules when the group forms ... that way noone gets the wrong idea
i typically annouce who's job is what ... if i am leader i always loot .. well im a phatass Ogre who can carry 10k copper *shrug*
........couldnt believe someone actually applauded me ONCE for having my head on straight .. i laughed HARD!
my 2c
o i also pick up coins if people drop them .. every copper counts ...
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Sszantiel hooked me up with this auto loot trig and I had no clue how to shut it off at the time, It was great I made lots a money!
*as for most zones Ive been in, peeps have there auto trigs looting coins all the time, and in Exp groups, they are only turned off when asked and coin is only given to peeps who ask!
*as for most zones Ive been in, peeps have there auto trigs looting coins all the time, and in Exp groups, they are only turned off when asked and coin is only given to peeps who ask!
i stop trying to moderate the looting of coins.
but the biggest thing is the new gget thingy and only group coins being split i stop spliting coins. it's just another thing to keep track of and if u die it's just more pain. i like the old coin split. bring that back.
if u quick go ahead and loot. if there's a fuse i will dice the coins off.
but the biggest thing is the new gget thingy and only group coins being split i stop spliting coins. it's just another thing to keep track of and if u die it's just more pain. i like the old coin split. bring that back.
if u quick go ahead and loot. if there's a fuse i will dice the coins off.
"goodie=bid"
"Just depends on who's leading Celara. Most everyone topside dices eq. Actually to be honest, I haven't seen any handouts since the last time Petrock led a group."
Things have changed a bit this wipe. Some goodie leaders will use handouts but not all the time. Trogar and Dorn both did a lot of handouts early on in the wipe since it was a fairly small amount of goodies that were zoning and the repeated hitting of vault, sg, ribcage, brass, and jot meant that you would be seeing a piece of eq you needed very shortly in the future. Sometimes it's not worth the trouble of figuring out who should get what though, especially if it's from a place where there's only a few items (ie, air of fire), there are a bunch of rare items (ie, smoke or jot invasion), or the place is just really seldomly done (ie, Tia
). Ultimately, it's a leader's preferences towards a particular situation and the ones that do sometimes do handouts will ask beforehand if there are any objections and ask for a list of items that you'd like, not just one item, so you see a better chance of getting something.
"As far as the coin thing, yea in most experience groups for awhile it's been evident to me that the leaders are gobbing the money and not splitting :P probably on the premise that you should be tickled to be getting xp.. bastids."
This is a bit more annoying if you play a ranger or a rogue. Poison and arrows don't grow on trees after all. While some poisons aren't bought, the ones that are used most frequently are and the carved arrows are a complete joke due to how often they break and how long it takes to make enough to replace what gets lost. There are other ways to supplement income, but not everyone knows about them or is crazy enough to try them.
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You receive your share of experience.
"Just depends on who's leading Celara. Most everyone topside dices eq. Actually to be honest, I haven't seen any handouts since the last time Petrock led a group."
Things have changed a bit this wipe. Some goodie leaders will use handouts but not all the time. Trogar and Dorn both did a lot of handouts early on in the wipe since it was a fairly small amount of goodies that were zoning and the repeated hitting of vault, sg, ribcage, brass, and jot meant that you would be seeing a piece of eq you needed very shortly in the future. Sometimes it's not worth the trouble of figuring out who should get what though, especially if it's from a place where there's only a few items (ie, air of fire), there are a bunch of rare items (ie, smoke or jot invasion), or the place is just really seldomly done (ie, Tia
). Ultimately, it's a leader's preferences towards a particular situation and the ones that do sometimes do handouts will ask beforehand if there are any objections and ask for a list of items that you'd like, not just one item, so you see a better chance of getting something."As far as the coin thing, yea in most experience groups for awhile it's been evident to me that the leaders are gobbing the money and not splitting :P probably on the premise that you should be tickled to be getting xp.. bastids."
This is a bit more annoying if you play a ranger or a rogue. Poison and arrows don't grow on trees after all. While some poisons aren't bought, the ones that are used most frequently are and the carved arrows are a complete joke due to how often they break and how long it takes to make enough to replace what gets lost. There are other ways to supplement income, but not everyone knows about them or is crazy enough to try them
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Disoputlip
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Since your a communist, Disoputlip, you must like a system where the leader takes all the cash and then purchases you a vit potion or two with what little money is left after he blows the rest on pleasure slaves in calimport and fine portraits in ribcage. 
Corth
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Goddamned slippery mage.
Corth
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Goddamned slippery mage.
I doin handouts now. Just bored of people I group with all the time losing again and again, or the mage with two eldritches walking away with the amethyst etc. Random dice has a fairness to it, but it doesn't get people in a position where they can zone. I have led brass maybe 30 times and done random, I own no ame. It is unluck and bound to get stuff sometime, but as the main tank in most of the groups it makes no sense. If several people can use equally, then i dece between them. It is also fair that you may want to get a nice item for trading purposes, but I always prefer to go get that item in the regular fashion, especially when folk in the group can actually use something that they hunted for. Also before heading out on a hunt, we can decide as a group what we should be hunting for, that works. I am also keeping a table of folk who did a kazillion zones with me and got nothing, so that we can say "hey, we goin to FP and dang nabbit talomis gets the prize this time". Akin to touks old bonus bid sheet, I shudder at the growing size hehe. I have added a group trigger with a tell that makes sure everyone knows this at start, if they not like, then can go solo pods etc. The values of some folk where getting quip over going to obscure zones makes me wanna do handouts. People who wont do a zone cos they 'might' not be in line for something I don't really wanna group with anyhow, besides, we try to bring spice when can and that's fun! *ruffle kifle* *skip* *end rant*
Ladak / Sarell
Safe Travels
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combatmedic
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Ya know, with all these different methods of splitting stuff, it would be great if you people who regularly lead start a new thread and just post your leadership/eq splitting style. Then everyone can be informed before hand.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kiryan:
<B>yea i keep 33% cause
im the one who takes the initiative to get people exping.
im the one who keeps it going by organizing replacements.
im the one who organizes the transportation.
im the one who takes the shit for telling people no. </B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I do all that when I lead Exp as well and I still split the coins because...
I'm the one getting the experience and I ain't getting experience without all these other people who have to put up with a leader like me.
The other reason is that I would rather lead the exp than follow someone who doesn't do it well or know how to control the group. So if I hand out the coins I am much more likely to get people to come do exp the next time.
The difference in cash is not that big a deal and what do you really need cash for these days anyway? I have had 3 k P in my account for some time now.
<B>yea i keep 33% cause
im the one who takes the initiative to get people exping.
im the one who keeps it going by organizing replacements.
im the one who organizes the transportation.
im the one who takes the shit for telling people no. </B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I do all that when I lead Exp as well and I still split the coins because...
I'm the one getting the experience and I ain't getting experience without all these other people who have to put up with a leader like me.
The other reason is that I would rather lead the exp than follow someone who doesn't do it well or know how to control the group. So if I hand out the coins I am much more likely to get people to come do exp the next time.
The difference in cash is not that big a deal and what do you really need cash for these days anyway? I have had 3 k P in my account for some time now.
"Ya know, with all these different methods of splitting stuff, it would be great if you people who regularly lead start a new thread and just post your leadership/eq splitting style. Then everyone can be informed before hand."
Some leaders switch around depending on the situation. No system is perfect, but some are more suitable for different groups. Not being tired down to any one system lets people get the most out of the different advantages.
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Some leaders switch around depending on the situation. No system is perfect, but some are more suitable for different groups. Not being tired down to any one system lets people get the most out of the different advantages.
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Disoputlip
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Corth:
<B>Since your a communist, Disoputlip, you must like a system where the leader takes all the cash and then purchases you a vit potion or two with what little money is left after he blows the rest on pleasure slaves in calimport and fine portraits in ribcage.
Corth
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Actually I prefer to get 10 plat for all trips no matter how long they took. Then the leader can donate the rest to his association, and I can get in line and spend my cash at beef jerky and waterbarrels in dk.
/Disoputlip
<B>Since your a communist, Disoputlip, you must like a system where the leader takes all the cash and then purchases you a vit potion or two with what little money is left after he blows the rest on pleasure slaves in calimport and fine portraits in ribcage.
Corth
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Actually I prefer to get 10 plat for all trips no matter how long they took. Then the leader can donate the rest to his association, and I can get in line and spend my cash at beef jerky and waterbarrels in dk.
/Disoputlip
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Treladian:
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Some leaders switch around depending on the situation. No system is perfect, but some are more suitable for different groups. Not being tired down to any one system lets people get the most out of the different advantages.
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Absolutely. Every situation is different. I learned a long time ago that no matter how you split eq theres going to be something unfair about it. Once you accept that fact, you realize that the unfair thing that is least offensive is that people don't always know in advance how you will split. Your better off having a fair split then a sure system of splitting. Sure, if you know in advance your going to be handing out, its preferable to tell people. But sometimes you don't know in advance.
Its not like you can do anything at all that you want. The most difficult part of being a leader is gaining the trust of your followers, and you certainly wouldn't want to jeopordize that. I will hand out sometimes, but only when there is a good reason to do so, and the people in the group would understand and agree. Otherwise I am usually dicing between people that can use the item for their grouped character. And sometimes, for other reasons, I bid out an item to the entire group.
I think in general, handouts cause more trouble then they are worth. But shit, if i have done MD two dozen times and the cleric I have gone there with every time doesn't have the sleeves, I am going to be very open to the suggestion of handing him the item.
Corth
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Goddamned slippery mage.
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Absolutely. Every situation is different. I learned a long time ago that no matter how you split eq theres going to be something unfair about it. Once you accept that fact, you realize that the unfair thing that is least offensive is that people don't always know in advance how you will split. Your better off having a fair split then a sure system of splitting. Sure, if you know in advance your going to be handing out, its preferable to tell people. But sometimes you don't know in advance.
Its not like you can do anything at all that you want. The most difficult part of being a leader is gaining the trust of your followers, and you certainly wouldn't want to jeopordize that. I will hand out sometimes, but only when there is a good reason to do so, and the people in the group would understand and agree. Otherwise I am usually dicing between people that can use the item for their grouped character. And sometimes, for other reasons, I bid out an item to the entire group.
I think in general, handouts cause more trouble then they are worth. But shit, if i have done MD two dozen times and the cleric I have gone there with every time doesn't have the sleeves, I am going to be very open to the suggestion of handing him the item.
Corth
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Goddamned slippery mage.
I have found that opening bids to everyone is the best and most fair way to go imo. Everyone has contributed to getting every piece of eq, so every PC has a chance to win that piece of eq. What you do with it is up to you.
As for cash, I definitly feel that the leader of zones should get to keep the cash as part of the headache for controling rather frantic groups. As for exp, the loot should be split, because a lot of ppl count on the loot from exp to buy their essentials (potions, scrolls, etc.)
I don't feel comfortable doing handouts, because it can lead to favoritism, and I try to avoid that
selias
As for cash, I definitly feel that the leader of zones should get to keep the cash as part of the headache for controling rather frantic groups. As for exp, the loot should be split, because a lot of ppl count on the loot from exp to buy their essentials (potions, scrolls, etc.)
I don't feel comfortable doing handouts, because it can lead to favoritism, and I try to avoid that
selias
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Jasix Prowlingwolf
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Let me put it this way
It you loot all the cash and don't split it and give some lame ass excuse like "the guild is keeping the money" then your a poor excuse for a leader.
Leading is something you CHOOSE to do so don't expect any thing extra for it, if you want more fine, roleplay a mercenary that only works for cash... If you think you are 'above' the rest of the group just because your name is on the top of the list then think again.
People that constantly loot the cash in zones even after being asked not to should have their bid ignored just for being ignorant to leaders requests time and time again.
People that tell me not to loot the cash but still do it themselves just shit me...
I have NEVER got cash split after a zone since soj3 started unless i lead/looted it myself.
If you want to claim zone cash for your guild great, but dont ask anyone outside your guild to help out, you obviously don't appreciate them enough to give them a few plat to cover their skill practicing you seemed to enjoy while they kept your group alive...
PICK A LOOTER, ASK THEM TO SPLIT THE CASH AT THE END AND IF THEY WANT THE GUILD TO HAVE THEIR SHARE GREAT, IF THEY WISH TO KEEP IT TO PAY FOR THEIR GUILD FEES EVEN BETTER!
EVERYONE NEEDS CASH, STOP ACTING LIKE TWINKY FUCKS!
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It you loot all the cash and don't split it and give some lame ass excuse like "the guild is keeping the money" then your a poor excuse for a leader.
Leading is something you CHOOSE to do so don't expect any thing extra for it, if you want more fine, roleplay a mercenary that only works for cash... If you think you are 'above' the rest of the group just because your name is on the top of the list then think again.
People that constantly loot the cash in zones even after being asked not to should have their bid ignored just for being ignorant to leaders requests time and time again.
People that tell me not to loot the cash but still do it themselves just shit me...
I have NEVER got cash split after a zone since soj3 started unless i lead/looted it myself.
If you want to claim zone cash for your guild great, but dont ask anyone outside your guild to help out, you obviously don't appreciate them enough to give them a few plat to cover their skill practicing you seemed to enjoy while they kept your group alive...
PICK A LOOTER, ASK THEM TO SPLIT THE CASH AT THE END AND IF THEY WANT THE GUILD TO HAVE THEIR SHARE GREAT, IF THEY WISH TO KEEP IT TO PAY FOR THEIR GUILD FEES EVEN BETTER!
EVERYONE NEEDS CASH, STOP ACTING LIKE TWINKY FUCKS!
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Tanji Smanji
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As far as gear I just dice it. I don't tend to lead zones for things I need, I just do it cuz I can. I'm iffy on the general dicing where anyone can bid anything though. I get slightly annoyed when a decked hitter bids eldritch or somethin to trade when there's a caster with 400 hps wearin scarlets. I've personally done ET almost 20 times and no earrings here (bitchwhinehint)but shrug, thems the breaks.
As far as coins its first come first serve though! You beat me to da coins and you keep 'em, otherwise they go to my hookers'n'wine fund!
Edit: I generally don't take coins in expin runs. I don't really need it cuz I'm there for exp not cash.
[This message has been edited by Tanji Smanji (edited 06-15-2002).]
As far as coins its first come first serve though! You beat me to da coins and you keep 'em, otherwise they go to my hookers'n'wine fund!
Edit: I generally don't take coins in expin runs. I don't really need it cuz I'm there for exp not cash.
[This message has been edited by Tanji Smanji (edited 06-15-2002).]
Touk's is, by far, one of the better bidding systems I've seen. I've lost quite a few bids in his groups, gotten quite a few as well. When I bid an item in a group it bothers me not in the least if the leader wants to give it to somebody who really needs it, instead. The best systems I've seen diced the equipment between the people that really needed it, instead of open dicing to anybody and everybody.
Yes, I like doing quests, and often the items I'm bidding on are quest items, sometimes for a quest where I know what the end result will be, sometimes for a quest I want to do, but have no clue whatsoever what I'm going to get out of it. I'd love it if I got all the items I'm always after for quests, but when there's somebody else in the group who has a real need for that piece, then they should obviously get it.
I've kind of gotten to the point where I abstain from quite a few bids, and often when I'm bidding it's for either an alt or a quest item. Sometimes it's annoying to spend hours helping somebody out just to be told that I'm out of luck, but that just means I have to go back again, and the next time maybe all the casters will have that piece. I've won bids only to find out that somebody else in the group really needed the item, so I gave it to them, and I've won bids and walked away not feeling bad in the least, because I'd been to the zone enough times to feel like I'd helped enough other people to get it, and sometimes it's just going to be my turn.
So if I bid that mage item and win it, then walk away without looking back, only try to understand that I've probably bid on it a dozen or so times already, and I wouldn't be bidding if I didn't have a reason.
Yes, I like doing quests, and often the items I'm bidding on are quest items, sometimes for a quest where I know what the end result will be, sometimes for a quest I want to do, but have no clue whatsoever what I'm going to get out of it. I'd love it if I got all the items I'm always after for quests, but when there's somebody else in the group who has a real need for that piece, then they should obviously get it.
I've kind of gotten to the point where I abstain from quite a few bids, and often when I'm bidding it's for either an alt or a quest item. Sometimes it's annoying to spend hours helping somebody out just to be told that I'm out of luck, but that just means I have to go back again, and the next time maybe all the casters will have that piece. I've won bids only to find out that somebody else in the group really needed the item, so I gave it to them, and I've won bids and walked away not feeling bad in the least, because I'd been to the zone enough times to feel like I'd helped enough other people to get it, and sometimes it's just going to be my turn.
So if I bid that mage item and win it, then walk away without looking back, only try to understand that I've probably bid on it a dozen or so times already, and I wouldn't be bidding if I didn't have a reason.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by celara:
<B>I'm going to be the unpopular one that people look down at for saying this, but I think it needs to be said.
Does anyone remember the good days of dicing/coppering eq and splitting the cash?
Whats with the handouts? And didnt I work for that money too?
Celara
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Eventually you run into a situation where leaderX has lead zone 10+ times but hasn't gotten any of the eq he wants... so s/he says, "reserving, 3nj0y"
The money is a more casual issue; rogues aside, I can't possibly imagine highlevels desperately needing another 25p from a zone. Well, to rephrase, I can, but anything I would want to buy is always either sold too fast or not up for plats. Thus, the Tinkerbag fund. It's really all plats are good for...
<B>I'm going to be the unpopular one that people look down at for saying this, but I think it needs to be said.
Does anyone remember the good days of dicing/coppering eq and splitting the cash?
Whats with the handouts? And didnt I work for that money too?
Celara
</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Eventually you run into a situation where leaderX has lead zone 10+ times but hasn't gotten any of the eq he wants... so s/he says, "reserving, 3nj0y"
The money is a more casual issue; rogues aside, I can't possibly imagine highlevels desperately needing another 25p from a zone. Well, to rephrase, I can, but anything I would want to buy is always either sold too fast or not up for plats. Thus, the Tinkerbag fund. It's really all plats are good for...
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