harry potter and the goblet of fire (no spoiler, i hope)

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harry potter and the goblet of fire (no spoiler, i hope)

Postby alendar » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:02 am

just saw it at the midnight showing 11-18-05...

graphics were killer
action scenes were killer

if you like the books or the genre of movie, i'd tell ya to go see it.

it had all the things i like in movies, minus boobs!

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Postby Cirath » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:17 am

No boobs?! Inconcievable!
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Postby auslyx » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:41 pm

Harry Potter, the concept, is the like the Crown of the Nerds.
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Postby Dalar » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:46 pm

Cirath wrote:No boobs?! Inconcievable!

She's only 15 man!
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Postby Gormal » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:10 pm

All of the girls you like look like they're 12 dude.
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Postby Dalar » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:46 pm

Gormal wrote:All of the girls you like look like they're 12 dude.


Jake.

1. I don't think Hermione is attractive.
2. Korean girl who looks like a guy. (inside joke on Gormal)
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Postby Kifle » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:19 pm

Gormal wrote:All of the girls you like look like they're 12 dude.


Lol, doesn't dartan look like he's 12 too? I think it's an asian thing.
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Postby Dalar » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:02 pm

Kifle's comebacks sure act like he's 12?
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Postby Kifle » Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:34 am

Dalar wrote:Kifle's comebacks sure act like he's 12?


Didn't know my combacks could act like anything. But yeah, I have a very immature humor. Now stop flirting with me, I have a beard.
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Postby Ambar » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:44 am

Good Flick

I think I need to re-read the series (again)

wonder if cho will boohoo thru the next movie like she did the book



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Postby Yayaril » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:43 am

Cirath wrote:No boobs?! Inconcievable!


8)

I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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Postby Corth » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:14 am

Just saw the flick. This one has gotten the best reviews of them all. I don't think I liked it though. They weren't able to do justice to the book in two and a half hours. This one needed to be split into two movies.
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Postby Ashiwi » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:34 pm

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm planning on going in the next couple of weeks. I promised a friend in OKC I'd drive down to go with him, and I was invited this weekend, but had Challenge stuff to do.

But this one ends the children's tale. From here on out, the Harry Potter stories take a decidedly adult twist. Don't anybody tell me how the movie handled the end of the story!
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Postby Cirath » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:06 am

Gormal wrote:All of the girls you like look like they're 12 dude.


And what? They can't have random supermodel cameos? I mean, really, what 15 year old boy that can use magic wouldn't produce pornographic illusions? Use your imagination, man!

It probably needs more explosions too. And a dancing monkey.
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Postby Ragorn » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:37 pm

Ashiwi wrote:But this one ends the children's tale. From here on out, the Harry Potter stories take a decidedly adult twist. Don't anybody tell me how the movie handled the end of the story!


I disagree. I think that the scene in the Shrieking Shack at the end of book 3 is where the children's story ends, and the reader gets an awareness of the world at large. That's where I consider the turning point to be, and it's my favorite scene in the series.

The third movie completely crapped out and didn't do it justice at all, which is one of the reasons I didn't like PoA.

However, Goblet of Fire was well done, all things considering. They cut out the bits they needed to cut in order to get the movie down to 2 1/2 hours. The new characters were cast extremely well, especially Rita Skeeter and Igor Karakoff. Mad-Eye worked, and the actor nailed the voice perfectly. Goblet of Fire is definitely not a movie for young children, some of the bits at the end are a little intense for your average 8 year old.
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Postby Kallinar » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:34 pm

Ragorn wrote:Goblet of Fire is definitely not a movie for young children, some of the bits at the end are a little intense for your average 8 year old.


The average 8 year old in today's America is asking for True Crime New York for christmas.

Trust me...There are 2 of em I gotta figure out "proper" presents for this year.
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Postby Dalar » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:38 pm

You know, I've always wondered... who is Snape and Dumbledore and why does he kill him.
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Postby Kifle » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:08 pm

Dalar wrote:You know, I've always wondered... who is Snape and Dumbledore and why does he kill him.


OH MAN, YOU RUINED IT FOR ME, AGGGHHH, YOU STOLE MY CLOUDSONG!
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Postby Ragorn » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:43 pm

Kallinar wrote:The average 8 year old in today's America is asking for True Crime New York for christmas.

Trust me...There are 2 of em I gotta figure out "proper" presents for this year.


They can ask for whatever they want. If I had an 8 year old, he would not have been allowed to see that movie. Nor would he have seen Spider-Man 2.
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Postby Kifle » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:08 pm

Ragorn wrote:
Kallinar wrote:The average 8 year old in today's America is asking for True Crime New York for christmas.

Trust me...There are 2 of em I gotta figure out "proper" presents for this year.


They can ask for whatever they want. If I had an 8 year old, he would not have been allowed to see that movie. Nor would he have seen Spider-Man 2.


Heh, my kid is 8 and he watched poltergeist with me on halloween :) However, I think it should deal with maturity levels rather than age; because last time I checked, mental stability or maturity were not functions of age.
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Postby Kallinar » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:42 pm

YAY! I saw Poltergeist for the first time when I was 8...called it "Polkadots" for about 2 years. Didn't really scare me...but there was a movie I watched the same night called "Alone in the Dark" http://imdb.com/title/tt0083542/ that freaked the bejesus outta me.
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Postby Ashiwi » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:31 am

When I was a kid there was a silly movie about a tiki doll that wore a golden chain belt, and it came alive when the belt fell off...

Nighmares, I'm tellin' ya, nightmares for YEARS!

And yes, Ragorn, while I will agree that the content of the third book did take a bit more of a mature turn, it wasn't that much more mature than its predecessors. Moaning Myrtle is the ghost of the girl killed by the basilisk, after all, and Draco was talking about how he hoped it killed Granger first once it was awakened again. The Goblet of Fire delves heavily into areas that go far beyond magic, though. It's where you really start getting heavy doses of politics, and murder becomes something real, instead of something just talked about that happened at some point, at some time. It's where you get your first real introduction to the Death Eaters and their Nazi-esque treatment of those they deem to be beneath them. It's the transition between the fading childhood of "The Prisoner of Azkaban" and the stark and blatant violence, suppression and racism that mark "The Order of the Phoenix." Each one has been decidedly more adult than the one previous to it, to some degree, though.

Ah, yes, the delectable Lady Umbridge...

You'd think with magic they could have fixed that thyroid condition of hers.
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Postby Ashiwi » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:16 pm

Finally got around to seeing it today. While I admit I enjoyed it, had I not read the book first, I probably would have found it way too confusing for all the background they left out.

I think I'd have to rename it to "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, the Abbreviatd Version."

Where's the skrewts?!?!
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Postby Kifle » Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:52 am

Ashiwi wrote:Finally got around to seeing it today. While I admit I enjoyed it, had I not read the book first, I probably would have found it way too confusing for all the background they left out.

I think I'd have to rename it to "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, the Abbreviatd Version."

Where's the skrewts?!?!


I just saw it too, and I was pretty disappointed. Well, I guess I'm disappointed at the whole movie series (I wont read the books). It just seems that he's supposed to be this bad ass, but he's really nothing more than a whiney prick that gets lucky rather than uses skill -- especially in this installment. It's either he's being given answers or direct help to every situation and there's always somebody better than him in virtually every aspect. It kinda reminds me of the first book of the spellfire series.
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Postby Ambar » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:25 am

Read the books, Carl .. seriously

they ROCK
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Postby Ashiwi » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:15 am

Carl, it's supposed to be the very way you described it. Harry IS a very powerful, young wizard, but he's been thrust into the role of "hero" quite unwillingly. He's lived a crappy life, with crappy people, and had nothing but crap for as long as he can remember, and all of a sudden there's this whole other world open to him. Instead of being the superhero we all imagine we would be, however, he's still an outcast, considered a freak by many, and every move he makes is overanalyzed and criticized by those who believe they have a right to judge him just because his name is so well known in their world. Harry's character has been written as a pawn in the greatest sense of the term, and he's still a child learning how to deal with it all.

His craptastic attitude only gets worse in the next book after "The Goblet of Fire," and sometimes you want to pick him up by the scruff of the neck and shake the piss out of him. At the same time, you're looking at this kid who lives the fantasy life of every picked-on, abused, miserable daydreamer out there ... the superhero, the suddenly powerful magi, the geeky guy in horn rimmed glasses who suddenly finds out he's special in ways none of those other bastards could ever have dreamed of, and more often than not, it leaves you thinking "Damn, I'm so glad that's not me."

Seriously, read the books. This movie glossed over so much that occurred in the stories. One good example is the very intricate smear campaign Rita Skeeter engineered against Harry and those around him. Skeeter painted Hermione like such a tramp that strangers were owl-delivering hate mail and death threats to her. I was so disappointed that we didn't get to see Hermione's revenge.
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Postby Cirath » Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:25 am

Kifle wrote: ...It just seems that he's supposed to be this bad ass, but he's really nothing more than a whiney prick that gets lucky rather than uses skill...


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Postby Lahgen » Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:40 pm

That is more or less the case, Kifle.

In fact, I'd say that in most cases, the day has been won despite him, rather than because of him. In book 2, for instance, he probably really was the only one who could do anything about the situation. Perhaps in Book 4 too, but his misguided sense of whatever it was that led him to share the trophy with Cedric led to the latter's unneccesary death. I fail to see what purpose it served, at least inasfar as escaping Voldemort.

I won't say what exactly happens, but book 6 is ultimately no different, in that regard. Now, in the final book, I expect that we'll see Harry actually be good at something. If not, I'll be really disappointed.
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Postby Lilira » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:24 am

I have never been so depressed coming out of a movie, or felt a sick kind of revulsion at the defilement of a beautiful work of art.

If it hadn't been for the fact I sat through the entire movie thinking to myself "It can't possible get any worse..." I would have left the theatre.

IMO, if they couldn't be bothered to stretch the movie to 3.5 hours, then they should have either made it two movies with a 6 month release difference, or left the darn thing undone. If this is a foreshadow of what the 5th movie will look like, I'll wait for it to be released to DVD, or ignore it all together.

About the only thing they could do to bring this movie up in my esteem to have about an hour of deleted scenes on the DVD release of it.

I understand the need to trim for time, and I can respect it, but they did a horrible, horrible job of it, and if it hadn't been for the fact I'd read the books and forced my husband to read them (finally) then we'd have been lost.

IMO, do not bring a child under the age of 10 to this movie unless they are very mature and able to handle disturbing images.
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Postby Kifle » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:22 am

Lilira wrote:I have never been so depressed coming out of a movie, or felt a sick kind of revulsion at the defilement of a beautiful work of art.

If it hadn't been for the fact I sat through the entire movie thinking to myself "It can't possible get any worse..." I would have left the theatre.

IMO, if they couldn't be bothered to stretch the movie to 3.5 hours, then they should have either made it two movies with a 6 month release difference, or left the darn thing undone. If this is a foreshadow of what the 5th movie will look like, I'll wait for it to be released to DVD, or ignore it all together.

About the only thing they could do to bring this movie up in my esteem to have about an hour of deleted scenes on the DVD release of it.

I understand the need to trim for time, and I can respect it, but they did a horrible, horrible job of it, and if it hadn't been for the fact I'd read the books and forced my husband to read them (finally) then we'd have been lost.

IMO, do not bring a child under the age of 10 to this movie unless they are very mature and able to handle disturbing images.


Honestly, I think the movies are more geared towards people who have no intention to read the books -- which is why most studios will compromise the background for the action. People who watch the movie after the book should really not look for anything but a summary when stepping into the theatre unless they want to waste their money.

Splitting the movie into two parts would have cost the studio more money as most people would wait till the second one was out before watching the both of them, regardless of what happend with LoTR (very different situations). Which would mean the studio would make less on the theatre returns.

As far as a 3.5 hr movie... I think it would detract interest in the target audience making theatre sales go down while dvd sales might go up a bit. In the end, I'm sure it was a decision of cost efficiency. And you'll get that from hollywood more times than not.

Does this excuse them from putting out a sub-standard movie? Nah, but you really shouldn't go into the movies expecting more than you know they will give you. I mean, you don't go to McDonald's expecting to get a 10 oz. sirloin when you order a cheeseburger. Go to the movies with a realistic attitude and you'll find yourself not wasting your money like most people do.
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Postby Lahgen » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:09 am

That's slightly different, Kifle.

McDonalds shouldn't be giving out sirloins.

Movie Studios SHOULD be making quality pictures.
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Postby Lilira » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:11 pm

I swear by everything holy that I made an HONEST attempt to go in and watch the movie for itself. I was going to sit quietly, not poke at the missing stuff (which I usually do to my husband, which annoyed him greatly til he read the books.. now we do it together when we watch the DVDs at home), I would accept the trimming that had to be accomplished (because I knew yes, that it would happen when I saw the run-time was still an embarrassingly short 2.5 hours) etc.

But a complete change in story-line, removing every single subplot, etc was going overboard. That's not just sub-standard, that's pulling a Disney, and doing it to a Harry Potter book, which is one of the most read series in history now, was pathetic.

I've heard two views; One that the movie was put out for people who HAD read the books and knew how to fill in the holes. If this was true, WTH change the storyline. (Notice, I'm only mentioning the change, not WHAT it was.)

The other view was that the movie was put out for the masses who HAVEN'T read the books. Frankly the holes in the story were big enough to drive a herd of horntails through. Especially since with every movie put out more people pick up the books.

Frankly I can’t believe J.K. Rowling signed off on it.
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Postby Corth » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:41 pm

I think I'm with Lilira on this one.
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Postby Eilistraee » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:21 am

I'm sorry for weighing in so late on this (and bumping the thread) but I only just watched this and find that I'm horribly disappointed.

Rather than go into detail which is completely redundant at this point, allow me to just say this.

The movie left out a ton of relevant information, included some pointless information, and staggered between teen angst and magical challenge like a drunk out of the bar Friday night.
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Postby Corth » Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:44 am

Yeah.. more and more, in retrospect, it is very clear to me that the movie, for all its fancy special effects, was a mere shadow of the book. Somehow or other in the previous three films the producers were able to succesfully capture the essence of the books. This one was a big sour missed opportunity. Particularly since Goblet of Fire might well be the best book in the series so far.

I had the opportunity to watch the first three movies before reading any of the books. Those movies were good enough to inspire me to purchase the books. I doubt the frenetic pace of GOF would have inspired me to do anything but scratch my head if I had not actually first read the underlying book. I don't see how anyone who hasn't read GOF could 'get it' from the movie alone.

It was just a poorly made flick. It should have been longer, or split into two movies.

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Postby Lilira » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:30 pm

I honestly think audiences are ready to sit through a 3.5 hour movie with Harry Potter.. and frankly, if they aren't prepared to make them they should stop right now.

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Postby Yayaril » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:28 pm

8)

I liked it.
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Postby Dalar » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:49 pm

Was this the one where snape kills dumbledore?
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Postby Lilira » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:39 pm

Nope Dalar.. that's a book. No movie yet.
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Postby Gormal » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:19 pm

Congratulations, Brian! You made the same joke twice in one thread! Its just as misplaced now as it was then:(
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Postby Lilira » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:54 pm

Feh. *sigh* I didn't re-read the whole bloody thread. :P I should know better than to ever take Dalar seriously.

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Postby Oghma » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:25 am

I can wait for the movies. In my opinion, they're just another take on the story. I'll watch them, I'll wish that they'd included this and that and many other sweet subplots, but I'm not gonna criticize them, because they're trying to make a marketable product.

Now, if they went all out and decided to tell the real story, without leaving out all of the subplots (and all that have read the books know there's a ton of them, even some that have not yet come to fruition), that's a movie that EVERY Harry Potter fan will see. I honestly don't think that will flop as bad as many say it would.

What I absolutely CANNOT wait for is Book 7. There are so many subplots to wrap up, and also the major plot that began in Half-Blood Prince. It will be a totally different feel, and will be interesting to see if Rowling can actually pull it off.
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Postby Oghma » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:37 am

I can wait for the movies. In my opinion, they're just another take on the story. I'll watch them, I'll wish that they'd included this and that and many other sweet subplots, but I'm not gonna criticize them, because they're trying to make a marketable product.

Now, if they went all out and decided to tell the real story, without leaving out all of the subplots (and all that have read the books know there's a ton of them, even some that have not yet come to fruition), that's a movie that EVERY Harry Potter fan will see. I honestly don't think that will flop as bad as many say it would.

What I absolutely CANNOT wait for is Book 7. There are so many subplots to wrap up, and also the major plot that began in Half-Blood Prince. It will be a totally different feel, and will be interesting to see if Rowling can actually pull it off.
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Postby sok » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:46 am

still haven't seen it. waiting for it to come out on tv. if someone has the dvd & wants to lend it to me, feel free to msg me. sok
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Postby Llaaldara » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:32 pm

Thumbs Down.

It dragged.

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