Save Para?

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Save Para?

Postby rylan » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:05 pm

Can somebody look into how sv_para interacts with things like para ray from pris? I've heard a lot of people say that its 'broken' because they don't notice a differance in resisting pris para even with -15par. This is particularly noteworthy when it comes to shaman, as they are always getting parad when pris para ray fires. Brought this up because I saw people getting paras left and right last night in seelie, regardless of their sv_par stat.
Maybe pris is busted and ignores save modifiers?
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Postby Bilraex » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:07 pm

I just want to point out that on the other mud I had the staff make me a -50 sv_para item and i got para'd by prism almost every time. There is something broken with barb shamans. they changed me into a troll and I never got parad again.
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Postby Nokie » Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:56 pm

Woops, its actually been inverted all along! +20 vs para is much better than -20 vs para!
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Postby rylan » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:20 am

Bump!
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Postby Iyachtu » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:50 am

OK. I bit, and spent about 30 minutes studying and testing the code. As far as I can tell (and I used debug lines to test the values) there's nothing broken with the para either for major paralysis or prism.

Shamans do have a worse save than some other classes on that particular save, but that's not a bug, it's a um... well, you get it. :)

Actually, I'm gonna try one more thing. Will have to get back to you on this. Tracking down something that may be causing it.
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Postby rylan » Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:03 am

Thanks for checking :)
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Postby Iyachtu » Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:47 am

OK, here's the situation:

Deep in the bowels of the code, there's a check that pulls what the save value for the different classes and races should be. In that check, someone put in a few nice little tweaks for classes and races at the end that subtracted (think of it as wearing more - sv_whatever) from the value that was being returned. These were intended to be a boon. One of those situations was barbarians and para. They were SUPPOSED to be better at sv_para.

However, if you set the numbers up JUST right... it created a situation that mimicked what happens if it couldn't find the numbers. The value returned was identical.

The most glaring, obvious example of this was Barbarian Shamans that are 50th level. They get EXACTLY that value returned which says 'I couldn't get save info, so they fail.'

Anyway, found, squished, hopefully will be moved in soon. Thank you, please drive through, and oh, by the way...

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Postby Ihazim » Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:56 am

whatever you did, it sounded pretty impressive :p
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Postby Bilraex » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:02 am

if this indeed fixes the problem, barb shamans across the realms will sing yer praises, as will the cleriks who always have to divine puri me
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Postby rylan » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:03 am

lol thats funny. Nice find Itchy :)
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Postby Iyachtu » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:05 am

Just when I was about to say 'hey, pass the pipe.'
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Postby Dalar » Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:35 am

and that's why iyachtu pwns
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Postby Ragorn » Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:00 am

Wow... a bug report, an explanation, and a bug fix all in the same calendar year?

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Postby Sesexe » Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:20 am

Dalar wrote:and that's why iyachtu pwns


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Postby Sarell » Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:20 am

sure was a smooth way to squicsh a group tho, prism and para the ghealer :9
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Postby old depok » Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:09 pm

OK I am back in for Seelie!

This zone was hard mainly because of this issue.

I'll start the "downgrade seelie EQ because the zone is now too easy" pool now. I give the post a day.
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Postby Ashiwi » Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:08 pm

For finding and fixing that, I'll be more than happy to pass the pipe.
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Postby Iyachtu » Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:34 am

So, now that it's been in for a few days, any barb shamans notice a difference?

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