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Healing Swords

Postby thanuk » Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:37 pm

Well after shev gave me that nasty cocktease last night, it got me thinking about healing weapons. Then I got to play with that scimitar, and realized that evil aligned warriors are the only melee class that can't get a weapon that heals them. Every other melee class can wield a self healing weapon, except evil aligned warriors. So how about you give me avernus?:) Not that wussy arex the great bullshit either, like the real deal red 'n' black Avernus, the life stealer. I think that would be fair.

But seriously how come only evil warriors aren't allowed to heal themselves with a weapon? And no, tiamat scepter does not count because we can't go get them, and tiamat was out of the game before I started playing this wipe. Is it on purpose, or just how everything worked out? Can we get a little self-healing love?:(
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Postby Vahok » Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:26 pm

Thanuk, we already have self healing.

Beach in WD! However, it's a shame we have to lay in seagull shit and old blood to get some hitpoints...
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Postby thanuk » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:11 pm

Vahok wrote:Thanuk, we already have self healing.

Beach in WD! However, it's a shame we have to lay in seagull shit and old blood to get some hitpoints...


Yeah im just talking about a sword that heals us tho.
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Re: Healing Swords

Postby mynazzaraxxsyn » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:23 pm

thanuk wrote:Can we get a little self-healing love?:(


He was refering to this little nugget I think.
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Postby Gura » Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:48 pm

if im not mistaken. tia scepter only procs heal for trolls/rangers
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Postby thanuk » Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:10 pm

Gura wrote:if im not mistaken. tia scepter only procs heal for trolls/rangers


hahahhaha so I can't even get a self-healing weapon if I do tiamat? sweeeet.
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Postby Waelos » Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:27 pm

Uhm. . . lets clarify:

Proc Heal weapon: Avenger

Proc glorified cure crit: Musp scimitar / Valhalla.

Heal heals 100 hps.

Cure crit does about 33

Valhalla heals 50 hps per instance, nonvamp (boo! hiss!)

Scimitar heals 1/2 the damage you inflict on an attack (give or take) so for most warriors that would be about 12-25 hps. (really cool proc. . but for an epic I'd change that to the exact damage you do when you hit. Would help more with the proc frequency and the fact that all those procs at full don't help ;)

Just droppin my 2cents here!

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Postby Vahok » Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:31 pm

thanuk wrote:
Vahok wrote:Thanuk, we already have self healing.

Beach in WD! However, it's a shame we have to lay in seagull shit and old blood to get some hitpoints...


Yeah im just talking about a sword that heals us tho.


A sword that heals us? Are you nuts?!? Next, you'll want us to tank decently without scales and blur..:)
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Postby Ensis » Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:35 pm

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Waelos wrote:Uhm. . . lets clarify:

Proc Heal weapon: Avenger

Proc glorified cure crit: Musp scimitar / Valhalla.

Heal heals 100 hps.

Cure crit does about 33

Valhalla heals 50 hps per instance, nonvamp (boo! hiss!)

Scimitar heals 1/2 the damage you inflict on an attack (give or take) so for most warriors that would be about 12-25 hps. (really cool proc. . but for an epic I'd change that to the exact damage you do when you hit. Would help more with the proc frequency and the fact that all those procs at full don't help ;)

Just droppin my 2cents here!

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Postby Arilin Nydelahar » Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:39 pm

And with the latest change, just fyi. Heal doesn't do 90-100hp heals with avenger anymore. like 35-40 now.
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Holy Avenger

Postby Aedaris » Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:51 pm

Umm your avenger must be broken, I'm getting healed for 90 hp. Must be leveled based now.
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Postby Arilin Nydelahar » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:47 pm

Wouldn't suprise me really, I was thinking that but wasn't sure.
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Re: Holy Avenger

Postby Ssryth » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:49 pm

Aedaris wrote:Umm your avenger must be broken, I'm getting healed for 90 hp. Must be leveled based now.


healing proc for deathknell is level based too now I believe. (much better)

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Postby Marforp » Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:41 pm

Just to confirm...the heal for the avenger is level based.

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Postby Eilistraee » Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:46 am

Avenger heal isn't strictly level based, but it is based off a level dependant factor for paladins.
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Postby Gromikazer » Fri Dec 19, 2003 6:17 am

Unholy avenger heal has been based offa level for over a year.. not something new.
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Postby Cordan » Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:05 pm

I hate the changes to the avenger. Now thanuk won't trade me stuff for my sword.

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Re: Healing Swords

Postby moritheil » Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:23 pm

thanuk wrote:Well after shev gave me that nasty cocktease last night,


1. Any post that starts with that is just WRONG.

2. Zones are coming in. Do you know what they contain? I sure don't ;)
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Re: Healing Swords

Postby thanuk » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:43 am

moritheil wrote:
2. Zones are coming in. Do you know what they contain? I sure don't ;)


Well hopefully there will be an evil warrior usable weapon that heals the person who wields it with a proc, and then i can consider this thread a success!:)
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Postby Delmair Aamoren » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:13 am

my $.02 is remove most of the self healing weapons. as it is right now, holy/unholy are basically the only reasons (besides rp) to play a paladin or anti. there should be VERY VERY few procs that heal the wielder. this whole "balance" thing we've been striving for is going to be altered if we keep on down this road.

Valhalla scepter being the only viable exception imho, and skip the life-stealer avernus it will just make evil warriors antipaladins for the mostpart, but with more hp.
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Postby kiryan » Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:14 am

and i again say strip non damage spell effects from weapons... maybe tone that down to enemy targeted detrimental spell effects from melee class weapons.

the most frightening thing is where healing weapons used to be rare to non existent to artifact status, they are not available as thanuk says for everyone except evil warriors.

are you fighters or casters with pointy wands?

im sure im in the minority that thinks this is a problem.
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Postby Hyldryn » Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:18 am

I don't mind if healing was removed from all weapons. Of course, (un)holy avengers may need a little bit of tweaking if they lose it, but that's no problem.
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Postby thanuk » Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:16 am

kiryan wrote:and i again say strip non damage spell effects from weapons...


Ok then strip all stun effects from spells. A sword that procs cure crit every once in a while is not unbalancing. I'm saying add a evil warrior usable one:) I dunno why you guys always gotta be negative nancy.
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Postby kiryan » Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:34 pm

thanuk wrote:
kiryan wrote:and i again say strip non damage spell effects from weapons...


Ok then strip all stun effects from spells. A sword that procs cure crit every once in a while is not unbalancing. I'm saying add a evil warrior usable one:) I dunno why you guys always gotta be negative nancy.


Sounds good to me. That coupled with the hp downgrade would make casters reliant on melee to prevent spells which would be a strong niche.
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Postby Kifle » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:10 am

I agree! I do know what thanuk is saying though. Why make evil warriors the outcasts? Goodies used to have not as good eq to wear, but that has changed. The only thing that hasn't changed is the healing sword crap.

Honestly though, I'd like to see more nice damage procs on weapons, leave the healing swords to anti's/pallys to give people a reason to play them over warriors, remove stun from 99% of spells, lower damage on caster classes except invokers, lessen the amount of area spells (i.e. give a class 1 area spell, then put it in a slot that would make them drop like a gheal or fheal or something), put in the fix for melee, make rangers out hit rogues or switch trip from rogue to ranger, um..that's all I can think of for now...oh yeah, take out sil person and put in sil room and just keep feeb.
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