dwarf str

Gura · Postby **Gura** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:51 am

if im right..mountain dwarves are 1 str notch shy of duergars. should be equal imo.

Gromikazer · Postby **Gromikazer** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:04 am

Nah it shouldn't.

Duergar have less dex.

Duergar have ultra which is a severe detriment in alot of zones.

Gura · Postby **Gura** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:11 am

mountain dwarves are 6/6. duergars are 6/7...thats less dex?

Stamm · Postby **Stamm** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:24 am

Gromikazer wrote:Nah it shouldn't.

Duergar have less dex.

Duergar have ultra which is a severe detriment in alot of zones.

But they also have innate strength, enlarge and invisibility and underdark sneak.

And ultravision isn't _all_ bad. There's a lot of times if I'd like to have ultra so I could see what was in the next room.

I don't really think having extra racial strength would make a great deal of difference in the overall scheme of things.

Dorf rogues already have enough strength to drag corpses.

Strength is of little use to warriors and to clerics. As far as I know our tank skills are based on strength, but strength makes approx zero impact on them.

If you were arguing for more con or agi though, I'd be excited :)

Gormal · Postby **Gormal** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:10 am

racial stats mean alot. Crit rates for one!

Gromikazer · Postby **Gromikazer** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:24 am

Yep duergar rule the game. Why just yesterday I saw...

...one...

duergar warrior. Damn.. I guess they need every little bit to seem decent eh?

Ultravision is a punishment for 70% of the game. If you want the powerful abilities of the duergar roll one up.

They don't need help, but they definately don't need to be downgraded, for shit sake people.

Just because you don't get an extra hitroll dosen't mean they don't have more dex.

Kifle · Postby **Kifle** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:02 pm

In the end, will it really help you? Will you stop bitching about how your race is weaker than so and so, and you don't have this and that? No, probably not.

To be more logical, rather than a negative nancy, are woodelves stronger than high elves? What? They are? That's not right! They are both elves though! Point made.

Stamm · Postby **Stamm** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:11 pm

Following Kifle's example...

When you think about it...

Mountain dwarves I'd expect to be more dextrous, wise and strong than duergars, who may be more agile and intelligent and powerful.

But the difference between a mountain dwarf and a duergar dwarf would be tiny compared to the difference between a dwarf and a human for example.

No, I'm not suggesting those as changes, just continuing the thread.

kiryan · Postby **kiryan** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:51 pm

but the bitching was justified when we were talkling about for yuan ti =)

I think duegar are fine, definitely don't need an upgrade, don't need a downgrade. They are viable but not the dominant race for anything other than rogue yet are situationaly more powerful than many other race/class combos.

i personally don't really care if you give dwarf extra whatever, but how would that impact the other good races specifically barbarian and human.

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