a mithril two-handed dwarven battle hammer

[Sesexe]

Long ago this weapon was usable by just about anyone it seemed. Then the dark times came and it was heavily restricted to Duergar/Evil Dwarf warrior/cleric only.

The weapon was pretty powerful at the time, and many evils used it on their shamans and warriors (pretty much all we had back then) to great effect. The weapon procs fairly often, and with so many combined characters using it in melee, it was a great enhancement to damage. But now evils have a large number of races and classes. It's no longer just Troll/Ogre with the occasional Duergar running around. The MUD itself has an enormous amount of far superior weapons with drastically more powerful procs.

The statistics for this weapon aren't anything exceedingly grand. Not by a long shot anymore. I'd like to see their restrictions loosened up. This weapon is too heavily restricted. In fact, it has more restrictions then Khanjari and doesn't EVEN COME CLOSE to the power of that weapon.

Therefor, please remove the racial restrictions on this weapon, so that it becomes a weapon available to any warrior/cleric.

If you actually have 4-5 warriors/clerics in your group and they want to wield this weapon to vamp up their damage some what, I say let them. They still aren't going to come close to hasted rogues or a voker. (As if)

[Ashiwi]

But it's really, really easy to get.

[Sesexe]

But it would be warriors and clerics using it.

Big woop.

[Birile]

But it would be warriors and clerics using it.

Big woop.

But it's still really, really easy to get.

[Gura]

there's a group of 5 or 6 people doing musp invasion right now and ur talking about items being easy to get?

[Birile]

there's a group of 5 or 6 people doing musp invasion right now and ur talking about items being easy to get?

That's a whole other issue entirely, in that the hammer's uberness was decreased to compensate a little bit for how easy the item is to get whereas Musp Invasion items have not really been modified in any real way even though the zone is less than difficult. This fact is not a very valid reason to make the hammer better in any sense, even if we're just talking about bits.

[Sesexe]

there's a group of 5 or 6 people doing musp invasion right now and ur talking about items being easy to get?

That's a whole other issue entirely, in that the hammer's uberness was decreased to compensate a little bit for how easy the item is to get whereas Musp Invasion items have not really been modified in any real way even though the zone is less than difficult. This fact is not a very valid reason to make the hammer better in any sense, even if we're just talking about bits.

Ok look. You've both yet to address the REAL issue of how exactly this is going to make a lick of difference for warriors and clerics (even if every single warrior and cleric in the game has one - which is entirely expected AND anticipated) to use in a group.

Yes the weapon is easy to get. That's not even the issue guys. Not by a long shot. I'm a voker with all spells, and an invoker with no area quest spells who targets in zones. I'm also a enchanted khanjari wielding rogue, and an etched wielding rogue with 40+ damrolls. I'm not intimidated or even REMOTELY worried about the warriors or clerics in a group wielding this pathetic weapon that pales stat and proc wise to NUMEROUS other weapons out there FOR BOTH these classes to do a smidgeon of extra damage. The weapon just isn't anything elaborate anymore. It's sub-par.

If warriors suddenly put down their gythkas, or clerics put down their skullsmashers for this.. I'd be seriously surprised. Considering I have a 46 ressing cleric with a skullsmasher, I don't think I'm going to be one of them anytime soon.

[Ashiwi]

Then I'm totally lost... if the weapon's that pathetic, then why would you want so badly for certain classes to be able to use it?

[Sesexe]

Then I'm totally lost... if the weapon's that pathetic, then why would you want so badly for certain classes to be able to use it?

Not classes, RACES.

And for mid levels.

[rylan]

It should be usable by more people for the fun factor involved. It would give clerics and some other people something cool to do in fights.

[Imis9]

And hell, that hammer was good for the occasional spank when it would area in a bad place to area...

[auslyx]

Being new, here's my 2 cents! How about allowing other races. If you do wield it, a dwarf (non player) has a chance to just hostile you? Seems fitting

[Gura]

that hammer + hitall in lava used to be so much fun.

[Sarell]

some people do use it as it is, if you made it so any cleric or warrior could it would rend the other bazillion mediocre weapons in the game even more pathetic compared to this sexy awesome proccing soloable weapon, it is already one of the few weapons with a cool proc that you can be soloed or get in 10 minutes... it would become even worse than the old stock flaming stiletto feature imho....

PS. comparing it to khanjari was just plain rad, upgrade darksteel!

[Shevarash]

PS. comparing it to khanjari was just plain rad, upgrade darksteel!

rofl.

[Delmair Aamoren]

Ya know, if they removed racial restrictions, it would be even further downgraded. You realize what you are asking for? remember the silly
and sometimes ignored formula of item points based on challenge and their relationship to uberness right?

[Gura]

i think the gods have realized by now that any system should be used as a guideline not a policy(for lack of a better word)

[kiryan]

I was disappointed in the change because it was a fun weapon once upon a time, but moreso because it was a new player weapon. It was not terribly difficult and you could get between level 30 and 40. Now its still not hard to get, but its crap.

Once upon a time people could actually get something nice by themselves and feel good about it.

How does the eq calcr affect low level zoning I wonder...

[Sesexe]

some people do use it as it is, if you made it so any cleric or warrior could it would rend the other bazillion mediocre weapons in the game even more pathetic compared to this sexy awesome proccing soloable weapon, it is already one of the few weapons with a cool proc that you can be soloed or get in 10 minutes... it would become even worse than the old stock flaming stiletto feature imho....

PS. comparing it to khanjari was just plain rad, upgrade darksteel!

What's pathetic is how it isn't used at all now. (realistically)

Also, I wasn't comparing this weapon to a khanjari. I was saying that as a person who plays damage classes, I'm not worried for a second about warriors and clerics being able to use this weapon in a group, and that if they did, their contributions via damage would be minimal and would still not put a dent in what damage classes can do. That's it.

I'd be surprised to see any groups (zone or exp) allowing a warrior to put down his bashing shield and blinding ebony to pick up a 2h area proc weapon that can lead to horrible spanks via possible walk-ins.

This weapon was a fun weapon that can really mess things up for a group, that sees absolutely no use now.


I feel the 2h aspect combined with the fact that it's an area proc make this weapon more of a hinderance then a boon. It's a fun toy to mess around with and pull out sometimes for a little chaos, but not much more. If this weapon was made 1h, then the whole thing would need to be changed.

But it's too easy to get. Some races can solo it. It should be downgraded! Well guys, if that's your line of thinking, then I guess we should start on EVERYTHING in the game that can be solo'd. Hrmm.. let's start with the GCD shall we? Hey, it can be solo'd. It's very easy to get. Why not? That weapon doesn't even do an area proc that could lead to bad things. It doesn't stop a class who uses it from being able to do some of their other skills effectively, since it is 1h afterall. Hey, the GCD is even in a !aggro zone, unlike the 2h mithril battlehammer. Come on, let's give GCD a assload of racial restrictions! Wahoo! We can make it um.. oh I know! Good elf/drow only! That way a drow using it is about as likely as a dwarf using the 2h mithril! Yeah!

Now that we have that one covered, what's next on the menu?

Oh! I know! Gythka! That can be solo'd too! Ok, what's the only two races/classes we want for this one?

*eyeroll*

[Artmar]

Gythka should be, rather obviously, thri-kreen only

[Sarell]

Good point sesexe, totally agree.. make GCD !war/cleric to give those dooger warriors and clerics something while still midlevel (mith hammer) since they get a bit left behind. (DISCLAIMER: all the dooger clerics and warriors I know are awesome) Would beat trying to make all the other mediocre simple but fun to get weapons upgraded. There are so many that don't even have procs! I agree totally that 2handers are just for messing around (or if you are just an awesome stylish warrior and wouldn't use anything else because you don't wan't to be mistaken for an elf) Out of the limited number of people who use 2h weapons, I believe the dooger hammer is one of the more commonly used.

RE gythka: no need to downgrade any 2handers further, they are just for funny jokes anyhow (DISCLAIMER: except pallys)