Combo spells

[Dalar]

Vhaeraun, you know what to do

[kiryan]

oh hell yes. start with stone + stone = scale and heal + heal = full heal

[Dalar]

stone + stone was ironskin wasn't it.

[rylan]

group heal + group heal = group full heal? *drool*

[Vikaz]

The ones I recall:

stone + stone = metalskin
heal + heal = full heal
cloud + ice storm = fog

[rer]

Cool idea, but how does it work exactly (for those of us who never played homeland)?

Double stoning someone upgrades the initial stone to "ironskin" (or whatever)?

[Burmadapig]

It's all about timing.

Vikaz starts casting stone on Rugra.

SomeOtherEnchanter starts casting stone on Rugra.

The spells of Vikaz and SomeOtherEnchanter combine.

Rugra's skin transforms into metalskin.

*Not exact messages, but get the idea?

[Vikaz]

You casted stone on someone, and if another stoner casted stone on the same guy before your spell landed, they would get metalskin. Same way for heal+heal and others. The whole system got abused heartly with triggers,

#alias ss {gsay stoning %1;c 'stone' %1} -- main chanter
and
#trig {group-says, 'stoning (%w)'} {c 'stone' %1} -- backup stoner

They changed it eventually so a chanter was required for the combo to work.

[rer]

Neato! Implement this one!!

[Vaprak]

Cool idea, but how does it work exactly (for those of us who never played homeland)?

Double stoning someone upgrades the initial stone to "ironskin" (or whatever)?

If two separate casters cast stoneskin at approximately the correct time window (similar to how invoker negative spell feedback works) there's a chance that the spells will combine to create a more powerful version of the spell, or a completely different effect.

It made it so that having two stoners wasn't a bad thing and it made it fun for the two to work together. Also having two clerics meant that when you ran out of full heals you might be able to get by with the druid and cleric working together to use their regular heals to keep the tank alive.

Also some of the offensive spell combos could be neat, producing effects with different damage types or completely different end results than the original spells might have had, such as the case with ice storm and incendiary cloud fogging the room temporarily.

[kiryan]

I'd like us to try the model used in EQ.

two backup healers should be nearly as effective as one primary healer... same can be applied to defensive casters. To make it require an enchanter or a cleric leaves us in the same boat we are in today, requirement of certain classes to really do much of anything.

there was also something like "metal blades" + "haste" = "blade storm" which was cool =)

[Dalar]

wasn't it cyclone + haste = whirlwind or something.

[Gura]

yes clone + haste was whirlwhind.

[Birile]

We don't need stone + stone nor heal + heal. In my opinion it just makes the game that much easier.

Adding the offensive combos or creating new offensive combos could be fun and interesting, but I don't think players need anymore defensive help.

[Burmadapig]

We don't need stone + stone nor heal + heal. In my opinion it just makes the game that much easier.

Adding the offensive combos or creating new offensive combos could be fun and interesting, but I don't think players need anymore defensive help.

Why add any offensive combo then? Invokers > All

The defensive combos add a bit more flavor to the game. They require two people in the group to accomplish them, so not a big balance issue there. i.e woudn't you be more inclined to bring two dscalers or two full healers instead of two people who can cast stone to make something not as defensive as dscale or two people who can cast heal producing full heal with not as much healing as a cleric casting full heal?

[kiryan]

We don't need stone + stone nor heal + heal. In my opinion it just makes the game that much easier.

Adding the offensive combos or creating new offensive combos could be fun and interesting, but I don't think players need anymore defensive help.

If your concern is not making the game easier, aren't you just doing the same thing by imping the offenseive combos?

I don't know that imping the defensive combos would make any game/zone challenges any easier...

What it would do is make forming groups easier and remove some of the reliance on cleric and enchanter. Its very difficult to zone without a cleric or enchanter. Why shouldn't two druids be able to comine to heal nearly as effectively as a cleric? Or a shaman and an elementalist combine to make something equivalent to scales?

Combining offensive spells would remove some of the reliance on Invokers, but eithe way we are still in a situation where it takes 2 to produce what 1 would ordinarily...

How is this making the game easier?

I don't get it big dan.

[rer]

I agree with Kiryan here. Adding combos just removes a little reliance on some of the highly specialized classes.

I think that as long as Stone + Stone < DScales but >> Stone, that's good.

And if Heal + Heal < FHeal but >> Heal, that's good too.

It would still be best to have Chanter/Cleric, but you could get by with a Sham/Sham, Sham/Ele/Dru, Sham/Ele/Dru/Dru combo.

Considering most zones you'll be taking a Shaman and a Druid, this just helps fill out the group when a cleric or chanter isn't available. Of course, it still makes the zone relatively challenging because your Sham/Dru have other spells to cast during fights, so they're not quite so focused on healing usually.

I think all this does is make zones doable when you can't get a chanter or a cleric. Those zones should be tough to do, but doable.