Suggestion: !id items and item downgrades

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Suggestion: !id items and item downgrades

Postby saeryf » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:50 pm

Given that a certain item was recently downgraded (without specific mention in the news) and that said item is not identifiable, I would like to make the suggestion that the item lose the !id flag *or* be flagged !sell?

Reasoning:
1) Item is !id and was perceived as a valuable commodity
2) Downgrade was not specifically stated
3) Considering #2, the only people who have solid information regarding the downgrade are those that (a) currently possess said items, or (b) have been told by the former group about said downgrade.
4) Given the above, this had lead to a large percentage of the populace having a now skewed perception of the value of the item
5) To that effect, the auction has become a means of *effectively* scamming people for larger sums of platinum than the purchaser would otherwise pay considering the revised statistics.

Conclusions:
- players that feel scammed are not happy players
- the larger, ignorant portion of the player base should be educated or at least given the means of becoming informed *without* requiring possession of the contended item
- an easily remedied situation created by an oversight and dishonest players warrants such a minor change

While i am not advocating that the gods babysit and/or attempt to correct any prior or pending transactions, I am suggesting that measures be taken - per the original suggestion but possibly even including a restring of offending items - such that a subset of the populace cannot take advantage of the larger section of the player base due the circumstances.

Thanks in advance to the IMMs for any consideration(s) given.
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Postby kiryan » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:57 pm

maybe all !id items should be !sell

why do we even have !id? presumnably to hide the luck/karam stats?

maybe the news should report any item that is changed (but not the new stats).
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Postby rylan » Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:21 pm

!id instruments are the ultimate sillyness.
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Postby Yayaril » Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:54 pm

8)

In a game where your physical strength is put into numbers and you can see that number, it's strange that some items you can see the numbers and others you cannot.
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Postby Disoputlip » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:01 pm

An advice could be to ask people about stats before you buy !id.


I'm sorry for what happened though. If I on auction channel see something similar again then I'll send a tell.
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Postby Latreg » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:24 pm

kiryan wrote:why do we even have !id? presumnably to hide the luck/karam stats?


why not ask an easier question like the meaning of life? Seriously though what is the point of !id items, weapons especially. Worn items, only people who aren't high enough level to see their stats can't figure out the stats of an item.
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Postby Marthammor » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:25 pm

As a follow-up, the new items have new ansi and should be in soonish.
The old items will still have the old ansi.
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Postby shalath » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:42 pm

Marthammor wrote:As a follow-up, the new items have new ansi and should be in soonish.
The old items will still have the old ansi.


Woah. Hang on a second. So the old stuff which has old ansi (and still still has old stats?) is just impossible to get any more? Or is staying in and new stuff is being added?

If the first...well, bah I say. Bah indeed.

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Postby Maedor » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:34 pm

If it's the item im thinking of, it was downgraded to complete garbage. So, even if they're not possible to get, noone over level 2 would want it anyways.
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Postby rarlaj » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:22 am

if it is the item that i am thinking about ...

the item was put on auction for 50 plat...

it was not the intent of the person selling it (me) to screw anyone...

if i wanted to screw the masses... i'd put it on for 2k like i paid for them before the changes...

my apologizes to those that feel slighted...

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Postby Marthammor » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:16 pm

Here's the deal for anyone that doesn't know what items people keep hinting about.
The items from Maskul in ZK were very easy to twink and were therefore changed.
Yes, they are pretty crappy now. What do you expect for maybe ten minutes of work?
The fight was fixed (hopefully), copies of the old items with the old stats made and loaded. Both versions have the original names, however the old items kept the old ansi while the new items got new ansi.
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Postby Lahgen » Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:02 pm

Here's what I think:

1. Make it rareload, and then give it similar stats as the kelemvor symbol, sans the called proc.

2. Make it !bit (if it isn't already), so all classes can wear it for +style at least.
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Postby moritheil » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:02 am

NOID items exist to preserve what few shreds of mystery exist in the game. In short, you could say they exist to create doubt. How can you be sure that all your gear is the best, if you don't know what all gear does? You can't. You can only wear different combinations of gear and see what happens.

Of course, this would really work better if more of the best gear in the game was NOID. Ah well.
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Postby Hyldryn » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:15 am

Yeah, they should hide all your stats, saves, hp, and movement from view too. Also, maybe get rid of your status showing up on glance. Zoning like that would be fun.
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Postby Latreg » Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:27 am

Hyldryn wrote:Yeah, they should hide all your stats, saves, hp, and movement from view too. Also, maybe get rid of your status showing up on glance. Zoning like that would be fun.


or you could zone with your monitor off, or wear a blind fold ;)
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Postby kiryan » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:16 pm

yea mori, nice thought but basically bunk.
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Postby Ashiwi » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:58 pm

Sad to say it, but Kiryan's right. The players of this game seem to get offended when everything isn't laid right out for them. The ideas of "mystery," "imagination," or "figure it out yourself" have no place here.
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Postby rylan » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:38 pm

Except when it comes to an instrument its impossible to tell what the quality and stutter stats are... hence !ID on it doesn't make any sense (Rosewood Mandolin for example).

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