camo + mem

[oteb]

Can memorize be added to list of commands that dont break hide?
It wont let illus mem while hidden since we have to sit before mem but will at least let us check what spells we have currently memed which can be life saving.
Thank you

[jalahon]

way too twinky... camo is very useful the way it is

[oteb]

how can checking what spells you have memed be twinky?

[Sesexe]

how can checking what spells you have memed be twinky?

He's got a point.

Knowing what spells you still have left to cast is a mental check, not something you wrote down or would break a skill to remember. It's just like remembering what you purchased at the store earlier.

[Dalar]

way too twinky... camo is very useful the way it is

Oteb's intention is to see what spells he has left in memory, NOT mem while camo.

[Mielikki]

Sorry but i think the spell/hide combo works perfectly they way they are.

Taking Sesexe's point and twisting it a bit.
"Knowing what spells you still have left to cast is a mental check, not something you wrote down or would break a skill to remember. It's just like remembering what you purchased at the store earlier."
So you as the player should make a mental check to see if you remember your spells...:) It really has nothing to do with my argument, but I thought it amusing.

[Birile]

Couldn't you type "mem" first and then type "c 'camo'"? Or make a nice little alias so that everytime you camo, you automatically type mem first so you have the list of spells on scrollback? Don't forget the carriage return after "mem" since your spell list is too long for one page. It works wonderfully. :)

[Sesexe]

So you as the player should make a mental check to see if you remember your spells...:) It really has nothing to do with my argument, but I thought it amusing.

Well with some caster classes this is easy. But with others it's not. I don't have an illusionists currently, so I don't know how diverse a mem template one normally runs around with.

Realistically, I think all this came up because Oteb is a true caster player. What I mean is he's probably sub-conciously typing 'mem' every 1-2 mins and loosing his camo. It's a hard habbit to break to be honest. I'm always typing 'mem' even when playing a warrior, or a rogue, or a cleric.
*grumble*

Got no idea what sub-concious things true melee players do. Spam who commands? *shrug*

[Ashiwi]

Got no idea what sub-concious things true melee players do. Spam who commands? *shrug*

We check eq and inv.

[Ashiwi]

And, after thought, I honestly think it would be a good idea to have a command which would allow the caster to check available spells without breaking camo. It's not like it's a game breaking feature, and I'm sure many casters would find it right useful. I don't mind that inventory breaks hide, but I have unlimited hide, whereas casters do not have unlimited camo.

[Corth]

Yes, meming while camo is way too twinky. Please allow sneak + camo instead! :)

[amolol]

i dont see how typing mem would brake camo, as was said..... its a mental check to see what you have memorized....

P.S. rangers as a melee class (at least myself) are constantly checking eq inv quiver bags and spells... i run the whole check every 1-3 minutes.

[Kifle]

Got no idea what sub-concious things true melee players do. Spam who commands? *shrug*

We check eq and inv.

Hahah, I thought I was the only one...

[Birile]

Got no idea what sub-concious things true melee players do. Spam who commands? *shrug*

We check eq and inv.

Hahah, I thought I was the only one...

I check eq, inv and I type 'sing' a lot when I'm playing my elementalist.

[Ashiwi]

Oh, and don't forget checking 'sco' obsessively to see if your potions have worn off yet.

Memming while camo is too much, but it would be so very reasonable to create a command which allows players to check what they have in the memmed queue.

And I totally agree with Corth.

[Lenefir]

Yes, meming while camo is way too twinky. Please allow sneak + camo instead! :)

If I understood Oteb correctly he didn't want to actually do the memming, he wanted to just see which spells he had used and which spells he hadn't used by typing "mem". As he said, doing the actual memming would require him to rest, and thus breaking hide. (Prioritize also breakes hide (I think) if you're afraid of that part.)

[fotex]

Yeah, it seems like there should be a separate command for actually performing the mem, and another command for listing spells that are memorized. For one, and this has always bothered me, it would cut down on the spam (on the network connection) if you didn't have to see entire your memorized spell list every time you sit to mem.

[oteb]

Realistically, I think all this came up because Oteb is a true caster player. What I mean is he's probably sub-conciously typing 'mem' every 1-2 mins and loosing his camo. It's a hard habbit to break to be honest. I'm always typing 'mem' even when playing a warrior, or a rogue, or a cleric.
*grumble*

Actually no. I was in very aggro area getting ping ponged by mobs i had a slight opportunity of surviving if i had that one spell i needed memed. But since this struggling for life lasted quite a long i had no idea whatsoever if i had that spell memed or not.

[Artmar]

Hmm...

SLIST
Syntax: slist
slist <spellname>

"Slist" lets you check what spells currently reside in your active repertoire.

Using this command with an argument tells you how many instances of that specific spell you have currently memorized/prayed


would be nice to have

[Birile]

Realistically, I think all this came up because Oteb is a true caster player. What I mean is he's probably sub-conciously typing 'mem' every 1-2 mins and loosing his camo. It's a hard habbit to break to be honest. I'm always typing 'mem' even when playing a warrior, or a rogue, or a cleric.
*grumble*

Actually no. I was in very aggro area getting ping ponged by mobs i had a slight opportunity of surviving if i had that one spell i needed memed. But since this struggling for life lasted quite a long i had no idea whatsoever if i had that spell memed or not.

Next time, if it's a life or death situation like that try to cast it, that'll tell ya if it was mem'd or not. :roll: If it's not, you'll die, if it is, you'll live. Being able to know if it was mem'd or not wouldn't have helped once engaged by the mobs unless there's more to your story that you didn't supply details on.

[shalath]

Realistically, I think all this came up because Oteb is a true caster player. What I mean is he's probably sub-conciously typing 'mem' every 1-2 mins and loosing his camo. It's a hard habbit to break to be honest. I'm always typing 'mem' even when playing a warrior, or a rogue, or a cleric.
*grumble*

Actually no. I was in very aggro area getting ping ponged by mobs i had a slight opportunity of surviving if i had that one spell i needed memed. But since this struggling for life lasted quite a long i had no idea whatsoever if i had that spell memed or not.

Next time, if it's a life or death situation like that try to cast it, that'll tell ya if it was mem'd or not. :roll: If it's not, you'll die, if it is, you'll live. Being able to know if it was mem'd or not wouldn't have helped once engaged by the mobs unless there's more to your story that you didn't supply details on.

Hmm...actually, say if it was the 'massmorph' spell, or 'change shape' for instance, or maybe 'mislead', then knowing whether or not it was memmed would formulate a potential tactic for getting out alive from the mass of mobs that you've aggrod. Knowing if spells are memmed is useful.

Of course, I just keep track of memmed spells in a set of triggers that let me know at any given moment how many I have left. Not that hard to write (especially as my client has an inbuilt perl interpreter ;-)

-akeb

[Birile]

Realistically, I think all this came up because Oteb is a true caster player. What I mean is he's probably sub-conciously typing 'mem' every 1-2 mins and loosing his camo. It's a hard habbit to break to be honest. I'm always typing 'mem' even when playing a warrior, or a rogue, or a cleric.
*grumble*

Actually no. I was in very aggro area getting ping ponged by mobs i had a slight opportunity of surviving if i had that one spell i needed memed. But since this struggling for life lasted quite a long i had no idea whatsoever if i had that spell memed or not.

Next time, if it's a life or death situation like that try to cast it, that'll tell ya if it was mem'd or not. :roll: If it's not, you'll die, if it is, you'll live. Being able to know if it was mem'd or not wouldn't have helped once engaged by the mobs unless there's more to your story that you didn't supply details on.

Hmm...actually, say if it was the 'massmorph' spell, or 'change shape' for instance, or maybe 'mislead', then knowing whether or not it was memmed would formulate a potential tactic for getting out alive from the mass of mobs that you've aggrod. Knowing if spells are memmed is useful.

Of course, I just keep track of memmed spells in a set of triggers that let me know at any given moment how many I have left. Not that hard to write (especially as my client has an inbuilt perl interpreter ;-)

-akeb

If he was truly bouncing from mob to mob, he wouldn't be able to get any of those spells off, which is why I qualified myself by saying "unless there was more to the story" that Oteb didn't mention. There's a difference between ping ponging from one mob to the next and having a chance to flee into a room with no mobs in it in order to cast those spells you listed.

[oteb]

Realistically, I think all this came up because Oteb is a true caster player. What I mean is he's probably sub-conciously typing 'mem' every 1-2 mins and loosing his camo. It's a hard habbit to break to be honest. I'm always typing 'mem' even when playing a warrior, or a rogue, or a cleric.
*grumble*

Actually no. I was in very aggro area getting ping ponged by mobs i had a slight opportunity of surviving if i had that one spell i needed memed. But since this struggling for life lasted quite a long i had no idea whatsoever if i had that spell memed or not.

Next time, if it's a life or death situation like that try to cast it, that'll tell ya if it was mem'd or not. :roll: If it's not, you'll die, if it is, you'll live. Being able to know if it was mem'd or not wouldn't have helped once engaged by the mobs unless there's more to your story that you didn't supply details on.

Hmm...actually, say if it was the 'massmorph' spell, or 'change shape' for instance, or maybe 'mislead', then knowing whether or not it was memmed would formulate a potential tactic for getting out alive from the mass of mobs that you've aggrod. Knowing if spells are memmed is useful.

Of course, I just keep track of memmed spells in a set of triggers that let me know at any given moment how many I have left. Not that hard to write (especially as my client has an inbuilt perl interpreter ;-)

-akeb

If he was truly bouncing from mob to mob, he wouldn't be able to get any of those spells off, which is why I qualified myself by saying "unless there was more to the story" that Oteb didn't mention. There's a difference between ping ponging from one mob to the next and having a chance to flee into a room with no mobs in it in order to cast those spells you listed.

Well since idea i posted mentioned camo you can guess i was hidden so had time to actually form some tactic. If i was just bouncing from mob to mob i could just as easily type mem to check.

[Birile]

Well since idea i posted mentioned camo you can guess i was hidden so had time to actually form some tactic. If i was just bouncing from mob to mob i could just as easily type mem to check.

That's why I was confused. You're the one who said you were pingponging, not me.