Pending release of 2.0

[Thilindel]

Would like to see others thoughts on having TWO characters logged in (limited multi) during slow times. This would help draw in capacity for a player who can't find a group to xp, zone, or whatnot. Some classes are screwed without backup. Having a cleric alt or something of that nature would at least enable you to xp or have a little risque fun. On the other hand, if someone logs on and can't group because someone wants to stay in their 2-man alt group, then other rules could apply. Of course, it'd help if the one wanting a group would synergize the proposed grouping.

[Raiwen]

this wouldn't help groups or zones really. this would help people twink stuff easier, and you'd get less zones.

[Birile]

Disagree. Most of us already have a solo-able character handy for slow times on the MUD. This would just further elitism here if our top players could twink bigger and badder mobs.

Or worse, Corth would log a second character in to idle. :shock:

[Cordan]

Disagree. Most of us already have a solo-able character handy for slow times on the MUD. This would just further elitism here if our top players could twink bigger and badder mobs.

Or worse, Corth would log a second character in to idle. :shock:

If he does that, should put it in VT or something. Good solid travel target!

[Birile]

Disagree. Most of us already have a solo-able character handy for slow times on the MUD. This would just further elitism here if our top players could twink bigger and badder mobs.

Or worse, Corth would log a second character in to idle. :shock:

If he does that, should put it in VT or something. Good solid travel target!

Then what would Kegor and Raiwen do???

[Zoldren]

Staff has said that playing 2 chars is hard for new players in addition to learning the game.

If it's hard there for it should be evil only.
Then Evils could do whatever they normally do playing with each other..

as far as elites twinking more mobs... they would just ask an elite friend to come as thats easier /more efficient to have 2 people at the keys to twink it.

There's been plenty of times that groups couldn't do anything because someone could only play 1 of their needed characters for x. If they where able to play 2, then hey... it's on (one example was play a warrior or a illus...but not both!)

but ya the cleric/warrior is a classic new player argument :)

[Kegor]

If multi was going to be allowed (which it probably never will), 2 characters would be the best number. Anything more than that either downplays the role of those characters in a group, or caters to the most eq depth and script writing skills of the person in question.

[Thilindel]

Prolly seems harsh, but pending 2.0, the lackluster volume of players, and the staggering boredom after all the exploring, etc..this place just is ...well, I won't say it. SOMETHING needs to be done, the way I see it, to liven it up for a player who logs on and there's nobody at the keys, solo'g, uncompromising groups who want to hog xp, etc. I can only keep making shit up to do for so long. Multi'g during whatever hours, or certain days PENDING 2.0 set aside would help. There are chars who were solo'g shit that was harder to do that one person trying to control 2 players. I don't see much of a balance issue. 2 manning Jot, Muspel, etc. *shrug* Any game, product, etc is open to hacks, power/manipulators of a system. At any rate, I hope they consider it or at least notice it's over a month per entry for updates, etc. I know RL etc.......but wow. I don't mean to seem negative, I'm just being honest.

[Malvareth]

How about allowing multiplay of two characters as long as both are below level 50? It would solve the problem with the fact that leveling up is all but impossible these days, but completely avoid the rest of the problems mentioned above.

[Kegor]

I think if you were going to tempt the gods with a level restricting idea for multi, it would have to be much lower. LOL. That sentance reminded me of that oldschool gameshow 'Cardsharks'. You would have to dip below 46 for sure, otherwise level 49 would be the new level 50.

I still don't see what would be so bad about two char multi for any levels.

Positives:
Diversifies grouping and zoning at any given time.
Makes decent exp possible for anyone at anytime.
More possibilities for having fun for anyone at anytime.

Negatives:
Multi-play is bad, MMM'KAY?
Some people might not like the idea of multi.
You might have to CR two corpses instead of one.
One or two people might only want to group with themselves.
One or two people might try three chars and get administrative punishment.
A few people might suck in a zone group with two chars (some suck with one).

[moritheil]

Free 2-char multi does not address the fundamental problem: we need more players. If we had an influx of players, there would be enough that they could play with each other and free multi would be useless. If we don't have enough players, free 2-char multi won't cause 15-man zone runs to suddenly start happening all the time.

[Ifin]

There's another thread about multiplay somewhere, but I just want to point out that, sure you can limit it to 2 chars/player which we all agree on, but

w/no restrictions, the payoff ratio for the upper end will be *significantly* greater than for newer players, which might lead to less inclusiveness.

I like multi, but think it needs a lot more thought/discussion to how we want to target it.

[Malvareth]

Free 2-char multi does not address the fundamental problem: we need more players. If we had an influx of players, there would be enough that they could play with each other and free multi would be useless. If we don't have enough players, free 2-char multi won't cause 15-man zone runs to suddenly start happening all the time.

You'll never get new players when they can't find groups. Soloing is practically impossible save for a select few classes, and especially if you're just wearing what you've found (which is usually nothing below level 40).

[moritheil]

Free 2-char multi does not address the fundamental problem: we need more players. If we had an influx of players, there would be enough that they could play with each other and free multi would be useless. If we don't have enough players, free 2-char multi won't cause 15-man zone runs to suddenly start happening all the time.

You'll never get new players when they can't find groups. Soloing is practically impossible save for a select few classes, and especially if you're just wearing what you've found (which is usually nothing below level 40).

I agree that that's a problem. But have we any evidence that people will give up their 2-char style of play to join zone groups? On other MUDs that allowed this all I ever saw were 2-man groups - it killed grouping.

[Birile]

Free 2-char multi does not address the fundamental problem: we need more players. If we had an influx of players, there would be enough that they could play with each other and free multi would be useless. If we don't have enough players, free 2-char multi won't cause 15-man zone runs to suddenly start happening all the time.

You'll never get new players when they can't find groups. Soloing is practically impossible save for a select few classes, and especially if you're just wearing what you've found (which is usually nothing below level 40).

I agree that that's a problem. But have we any evidence that people will give up their 2-char style of play to join zone groups? On other MUDs that allowed this all I ever saw were 2-man groups - it killed grouping.

This is another issue that "will be addressed in 2.0."

There will be some sort of grouping bonus, where exp scales in a group's favor the more people are in the group (from what I understand of the plan).

[Dalar]

Free 2-char multi does not address the fundamental problem: we need more players. If we had an influx of players, there would be enough that they could play with each other and free multi would be useless. If we don't have enough players, free 2-char multi won't cause 15-man zone runs to suddenly start happening all the time.

You'll never get new players when they can't find groups. Soloing is practically impossible save for a select few classes, and especially if you're just wearing what you've found (which is usually nothing below level 40).

The only people you'll see at that low of level are people twinked out. They probably won't group (I would if I was leveling though :) ) with new players so they get exp faster. It's a shame we can't get Toril 2.0 group xp changes.

[flib]

institute a level cap on how far up you can multi with.. say like I don't know 40 or so.. that way the people who actually are leveling up can multi if there really isnt anyone around and you cant twink too much with two mid 30's

[Adriorn Darkcloak]

Limiting multi to 2 characters should be enough, and I think, based on our pbase, that it will not be a problem, but rather, promote more exploring, more zoning, and less complaining about xp.

Some complain it will kill grouping. I think this is completely false. I can't do spob with two characters. I can do it with my 2 characters and 6 more friends with 2 characters. Yes, this will limit the amount of people going to spob with us. So what? Then the other people can go do another zone on their own alts also.

More zoning at the same time, instead of only 15 people zoning per night to one zone, and the rest either xping or touching mobs in VT.[/list]

[Dalar]

I don't see the point in multiing at this point. Most zones aren't worth doing now because of eq inflation and because of all the outdated gear. Remember when we use to do ET every boot? Vault? TF?

[Ifin]

My suggestion for multi is 2-chars, but w/the following restriction:

You must LFG (maybe 1x each minute for 5 minutes) and cannot deny anyone +-5 levels from joining you.

Then the group would become multi'able.

If switching to another zone, you must do the same again.


This prevents multi twinking. This prevents multi just for the purpose of plvl'ing (your own chars).

This allows multi based on low pbase.

[teflor the ranger]

I am adamantly against multi-play.

Because I see wayy too much potential for two of my characters running around creating havoc. That and a GROSS potential for two of my characters and two of someone else's characters ruining the game for everybody else :D

[Corth]

Omg, you and Sarvis are going to multiplay political debates on ooc??!

*panic*

[Kifle]

Omg, you and Sarvis are going to multiplay political debates on ooc??!

*panic*

Rofl!