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Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Thilindel » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:45 am

OK..someone pointed out, which I'm not sure if it's true or not, these two cited books written by Obama. If these statements really are true..wow.


From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams of My Father:'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father:'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Kifle » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:10 am

Critical Thought + 2 seconds + Google = Truth

Seriously, who would be that retarded?
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Thilindel » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:14 am

I don't get how people can get emails like that..well, send them anyway. Should be illegal to just quote whatever they want.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Kifle » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:16 am

I'm sure there are similar out there for McCain as well. I'll be glad when this annoyance is all over with.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ragorn » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:55 am

God, who cares.

Seriously, does anyone actually believe that Barack Obama is a racist?

Or is that all just rhetoric to justify the latent racism of the people who forward emails like these?
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:16 am

hate to say it but even a racist blackman is better than bush (not saying that he really is racist) You guys got no where to go but up now :)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ambar » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:31 pm

Even if it were true, think about how it was being brought up in the 60's as a half black half-white child .. The CRAP he had to deal with from both cultures.

You and me who were born white kids have no sense of the racism he dealt with .. of COURSE he had doubts about being both black and white because he could claim to be neither .. He was mulato, he was noone .. the black folks said he was white since half of his blood was "white", the white folks said he was black since we all know that even if you have a DROP of black in your background five generations ago you are black .. who the heck could he identify with

Presidential candidate aside ANY kid who was raised in those days had crap to deal with and he was born in the era of racism ..

Heck my niece and nephew are half filipino, half "white" and they are both under age 25 and had crap to deal with growing up! ..Sister showing up at a school conference and the teachers wondering where these kids mommy was since no way she could be mommy ..

I supposed everything must be debated and "what did he mean by that" since he is in the spotlight but for crying out loud, use common sense sometimes!

I just cant wait til all of our blood is so mixed we are all one friggin culture!
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Adriorn Darkcloak » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:11 pm

...but they are true quotes from his books, save one.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Shevarash » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:21 pm

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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby avak » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:53 pm

Yeah? Well JFK was a Catholic....gasp, boo, hiss....

B]ecause I am a Catholic and no Catholic has ever been elected President, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured -- perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again -- not what kind of church I believe in for that should be important only to me, but what kind of America I believe in.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute -- where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be a Catholic) how to act and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote -- where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference -- and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.


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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ragorn » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:56 pm

Adriorn Darkcloak wrote:...but they are true quotes from his books, save one.

So what?
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Sarvis » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:29 pm

Adriorn Darkcloak wrote:...but they are true quotes from his books, save one.


Two.

And the others were taken out of context. Not even just taken out of context, they left out half the sentence. yet presented one as if it were complete.

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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:45 pm

I kind of agree with Ragorn et al on the quotes. The guy is half black and half white, with a funny name to boot. I would kind of expect an introspective life story type book to have a few throw away lines that could be taken out of context.

Truth be told, I really like Obama. He is well spoken, talented, and I think its about time we had a black president to put the country past the racism issue once and for all.

I still believe, notwithstanding the polls, that McCain will win, but I guess we'll see. I'm sure Xis will love to throw that back in my face if Obama wins as the polls suggest he will (he still quotes shev on invokers on his sig line to this day!)... but its not like i'm making an easy call. Regardless, I believe it will be closer than most people expect. Given the disaster otherwise known as the Bush II presidency and given the current economic 'crisis', its instructive that the democratic candidate isn't destroying the republican.

The only reason I don't support Obama is I can't stand the idea of perhaps two liberal supreme court appointments. I am as pro-choice as they come, but my feeling is that Roe v. Wade and various other cases in the past 40 years or so were wrongly decided. The constitution is supposed to limit the power of the Federal Government, and allow the states to decide such matters. If abortion were handled in that manner, most states would legalize it, and there wouldn't be much of a political controversy on the subject. Undoubtedly, the judges that Obama will nominate will imprudently interpret the constitution as giving the Federal Government a lot more power than it was originally intended to have. The current court has attempted to curtail the previous overreaching, and I would like to see that continue.

That being said, I believe Obama will be a lot more moderate than people expect if he is elected. This is a center-right country, and Obama is politically astute enough to recognize this. He will concentrate on a couple of liberal ideas.. primarily socialized health care, and otherwise act moderately. Its not as if we have an economic conservative in office now. It can't be much worse.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby avak » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:28 pm

Corth wrote:That being said, I believe Obama will be a lot more moderate than people expect if he is elected. This is a center-right country, and Obama is politically astute enough to recognize this. He will concentrate on a couple of liberal ideas.. primarily socialized health care, and otherwise act moderately. Its not as if we have an economic conservative in office now. It can't be much worse.


Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I'll predict that Obama wins handily in 08 and enjoys fairly high, if not extremely high approval ratings followed by an easy '12 election. In other words, a very successful presidency. Mostly due to the small point Corth made about his political astuteness. I don't agree with Corth's assessment of the country as 'center-right,' but the fact of the matter is that we are being undermined by the divisive partisanship that has been rampant for a decade or more.

I think the average American has been sold this idea that you get one flavor or the other, take it or leave it...that you can't pick the best of both...or even some parts of one or the other. Corth, being pro-choice makes you almost a pariah in the current version of the Republican party, but your free-trader views makes you at odds with the left of the Dems. It doesn't sound contradictory when you elaborate your positions, but on paper it is. I'm hoping that, similar to the racism nonsense, that we can find a way out of that mess as well.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby kiryan » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:36 pm

I'd think seriously of gambling the next 4 years on Obama if it weren't for the supreme court justices. Actually, I'd probably write in Ron Paul, but its the first time I've ever even considered voting blue.

I do believe he will raise taxes and actually destroy this country through socialism, but Republicans can't seem to stop spending money or expanding government either so its the decision between a fast death with a hail mary chance that he can be that agent of change that makes everything great or a slow death as government spending and federal over reach marches on.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Xisiqomelir » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:44 pm

Corth wrote:I still believe, notwithstanding the polls, that McCain will win, but I guess we'll see. I'm sure Xis will love to throw that back in my face if Obama wins as the polls suggest he will (he still quotes shev on invokers on his sig line to this day!)... but its not like i'm making an easy call. Regardless, I believe it will be closer than most people expect. Given the disaster otherwise known as the Bush II presidency and given the current economic 'crisis', its instructive that the democratic candidate isn't destroying the republican.


Why would I do this? All I ever said was that you should firmly come out in support of your preferred candidate. I'm glad you're finally backing him, but this is probably the worst possible time to do so.

Also, I would like to hear your reasoning behind your prediction. Will there be a nationwide application of the Bradley Effect? Are the current registration numbers by party in each state wrong? Do polls have no bearing on election results (and if so, what purpose is served by polls?). And one more question, if 300+ EV and >50% of the popular vote isn't "destroying the republican", what is? Is it Lyndon B. Johnson's 1964 election results?
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby kiryan » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:09 pm

I think it will be closer than the media paints it to be. Racism will play a larger factor than anyone will admit in public and the youth vote I think is going to exceed expectations but not the plan.

I think McCain will fall short even with a "surprising" turn out. The conservative base didn't mobilize early enough to register so they may vote, but they won't get counted.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:58 pm

Xis,

A couple of things. First I think the Bradley effect will come into play. Second, as a matter of voter psychology, people tend to want 'change' a month or two before the election and 'security' when they pull the lever. Jimmy Carter had something like a 10 point lead a month before the election and lost to Reagan.

I would give Regan's defeat of Mondale in 1984 as an example of destroying the competition. 49 states. He lost Mondale's home state of Minnesota.

We'll see though!
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby shalath » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:31 pm

Is anyone at all voting for McCain? All of the Americans I know have said that they are voting for Obama, in many cases not because they particularly like him or his policies but mostly because they simply dare not vote for the opposition. Mind you, all of the Americans I know are sane and sensible people who are well travelled and knowledgable. I'm not sure how many Americans that actually applies to :-)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby therdann » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:04 pm

Fuck race...That does not matter to me Dont raise my tax's

I would vote for a black prego women with a mexican husband if they would cut my tax rate!

PS I know how to spend my own money I dont need someone else to do it for me thats what my kids to.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby avak » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:39 pm

therdann wrote:Fuck race...That does not matter to me Dont raise my tax's

I would vote for a black prego women with a mexican husband if they would cut my tax rate!

PS I know how to spend my own money I dont need someone else to do it for me thats what my kids to.


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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Adriorn Darkcloak » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:56 pm

shalath wrote:Is anyone at all voting for Obama? All of the Americans I know have said that they are voting for McCain, in many cases not because they particularly like him or his policies but mostly because they simply dare not vote for the opposition. Mind you, all of the Americans I know are sane and sensible people who are well travelled and knowledgable. I'm not sure how many Americans that actually applies to :-)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Kifle » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:46 pm

Ambar wrote:You and me who were born white kids have no sense of the racism he dealt with


Lol, try being a white guy with a spanish last name in a mostly black/hispanic school. Everyone deals with racism, but the media only feels bad and covers when it's not against whites. It's out there, you just don't see it very often... much less often than it actually happens, I know that for damn sure.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby kiryan » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:33 am

What do you call it when a white guy needs a 90 on a police test, the asian an 86, the hispanic a 74 and the black guy a 56.

Thats racism if I ever saw it... against whites... thank you Democrats for affirmative action and quotas.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Kifle » Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:27 am

kiryan wrote:What do you call it when a white guy needs a 90 on a police test, the asian an 86, the hispanic a 74 and the black guy a 56.

Thats racism if I ever saw it... against whites... thank you Democrats for affirmative action and quotas.


You can't deny it was needed at a time, but reverse racism is still racism and I agree. I think it's time the government, media, and society as a whole puts an end to punishing people who had nothing to do with what happend nearly 200 years ago.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ragorn » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:44 am

Corth wrote:Given the disaster otherwise known as the Bush II presidency and given the current economic 'crisis', its instructive that the democratic candidate isn't destroying the republican.

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I'm not sure how much more you want. That's a nonincumbent, black candidate of the opposition party favored to win over 340 electoral votes.

Virginia's gone blue. Florida's gone blue. Iowa's gone blue. Minnesota, Michigan, Colorado. North Carolina. Pennsylvania.

Gallup has Obama up by 12. Rasmussen, whose website is absolutely plastered with anti-Democrat ad banners, has Obama up by 4.

Obama polled higher in all of the Presidential debates. Biden polled higher in the VP debate.

The Democractic candidate is absolutely wiping the floor with the Republican candidate. It stopped being a close race a month ago.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:02 am

That being the case, I'm really sticking my neck out with that call aren't I?
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:11 am

I will say this.. the Republican deserve to lose.. and badly. They have not delivered on their promises. The country, under their governance, is doing poorly on a number of different levels.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ragorn » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:44 am

Corth wrote:That being the case, I'm really sticking my neck out with that call aren't I?

Perhaps. Show us your inTrade portfolio ;)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:54 am

Heh, I lost a couple thousand bucks on a stupid baseball card trading platform called "etopps" a few years ago. It was supposed to make a quasi stock market for freaking baseball cards. Since then I stick to real markets :)

Looking at intrade it seems that it would cost $14.80 to buy a contract that McCain wins the election, which I take it would pay out $100? I don't think its a bad trade. I think his chances are better than 15% to win, and I expect in the coming weeks the polls will tighten and the contract will go up. Want to make a gentleman's bet that the price will be higher 10 days from now? :)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby avak » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:37 pm

By Mark Murray
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NBC News
updated 4:31 a.m. CT, Wed., Oct. 22, 2008

Mark Murray
Deputy political director
WASHINGTON - With voters’ increased confidence in his ability to serve as commander in chief, as well as a majority who now believe he would do a good job as president, Barack Obama has opened up his biggest advantage over John McCain in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

With two weeks to go until Election Day, Obama now leads his Republican rival by 10 points among registered voters, 52 to 42 percent, up from 49 to 43 percent two weeks ago.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ragorn » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:13 pm

Corth wrote:Looking at intrade it seems that it would cost $14.80 to buy a contract that McCain wins the election, which I take it would pay out $100? I don't think its a bad trade. I think his chances are better than 15% to win, and I expect in the coming weeks the polls will tighten and the contract will go up. Want to make a gentleman's bet that the price will be higher 10 days from now? :)

Sure, I'll take that bet. But how about we sweeten the deal a little bit?

How about this.

If, on the evening of Friday, October 31st, McCain shares are selling at $14.79 or lower, you will be banished from the Room of Indecision forever. We will both log in at a predetermined time, and you must ENTER SOJOURN once and for all, never to return.

If shares of McCain are selling for $14.81 or higher at that time... then I will ENTER SOJOURN and 3w gets its stalwart protector back.

Do we have a deal sir? :)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby shalath » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:43 pm

Hey, if they stay at exactly $14.80, or if intrade go bust because of the current global financial crisis, will both of you enter sojourn? :-)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:45 pm

Rofl, Ragorn.. I was going to suggest something of that nature last night but my cable service cut out right after I posted.

I think the proposed terms are not very favorable for me. You very infrequently idle in the Room of Choice whereas I afk there 24/7. I've grown accustomed to that room.. I like the whole Exits: None! thing. Its 'snug' and 'homey'. I can't risk it!

And besides, if one of us enters sojourn we won't have any more of our infrequent Room of Choice chats that usually go something along the lines of 'hey', 'heya', 'afk'. :)

How about if I lose I'll agree to change my title to anything you want for the entire month of November, so long as it isn't disproved by the immortals. On the other hand, if you lose, you have to join Elders and be titled anything that I choose for an entire month.. and agree to idle at least an hour a day. :)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Pril » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:36 pm

Corth wrote:Rofl, Ragorn.. I was going to suggest something of that nature last night but my cable service cut out right after I posted.

I think the proposed terms are not very favorable for me. You very infrequently idle in the Room of Choice whereas I afk there 24/7. I've grown accustomed to that room.. I like the whole Exits: None! thing. Its 'snug' and 'homey'. I can't risk it!

And besides, if one of us enters sojourn we won't have any more of our infrequent Room of Choice chats that usually go something along the lines of 'hey', 'heya', 'afk'. :)

How about if I lose I'll agree to change my title to anything you want for the entire month of November, so long as it isn't disproved by the immortals. On the other hand, if you lose, you have to join Elders and be titled anything that I choose for an entire month.. and agree to idle at least an hour a day. :)


I have a better proposition. If Corth loses he has to zone at least once every two weeks. If rags Loses HE has to zone once every two weeks.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:55 pm

Thats fine so long as you don't mind me using my unequipped level 39 yuan-ti illusionist. :)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:57 pm

Found a pretty good article on polling. Doesn't necessary support my predictions but I thought it was well written and interesting nonetheless.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463210033356561.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby shalath » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:16 pm

Corth wrote:Found a pretty good article on polling. Doesn't necessary support my predictions but I thought it was well written and interesting nonetheless.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463210033356561.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

This was a good read. Thanks.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Xisiqomelir » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:20 pm

Corth wrote:Found a pretty good article on polling. Doesn't necessary support my predictions but I thought it was well written and interesting nonetheless.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463210033356561.html?mod=djemEditorialPage


http://nymag.com/news/features/51170/
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Pril » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:24 pm

Corth wrote:Thats fine so long as you don't mind me using my unequipped level 39 yuan-ti illusionist. :)


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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ragorn » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:48 pm

Corth wrote:Rofl, Ragorn.. I was going to suggest something of that nature last night but my cable service cut out right after I posted.

I think the proposed terms are not very favorable for me. You very infrequently idle in the Room of Choice whereas I afk there 24/7. I've grown accustomed to that room.. I like the whole Exits: None! thing. Its 'snug' and 'homey'. I can't risk it!

Oh.

I see.

See, it's just that I thought you were confident.

But ok, I agree to your terms. If I lose, I'll set up zMUD on my second box and idle as much as possible during November.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby kiryan » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:54 pm

I can easily deny it based on philosophical reasons. Not sure whether I can deny it in terms of practacility. Hard to say if time tempered racism or if affirmative action ect did.

It definitely had visible impact in certain important metrics which almost undoubtedly would've taken far far longer to achieve... but at what cost. creating and enshrining a culture of special rights? Creating a culture where performance is not as important as extraneous factors? America is known for its work ethic and results, but I have trouble believing it when I look around me.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:15 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27324419/

New AP poll of likely voters has them running evenly.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309546869309178

IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll has Obama up by 3.7

These polls are definitely outliers.. but they are the newest ones released. We'll see in the next few days if there is any confirmation.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Xisiqomelir » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:03 pm

Corth wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27324419/

New AP poll of likely voters has them running evenly.


That's actually an AP-GfK poll. And you might want to look at the internals before using it as a basis to buy 2008.Pres.McCain on Intrade :)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Ragorn » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:44 pm

Corth wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27324419/

New AP poll of likely voters has them running evenly.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309546869309178

From the article:

"In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Obama up by 9 percentage points, while a poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama leading by 14. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, among the broader category of people registered to vote, found Obama ahead by 10 points."
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:52 pm

Xis,

Care to point out for me what exactly in the internals is of interest? I usually need to be paid to read 26 page documents that are as dense as that one. :)
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby shalath » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:08 pm

kiryan wrote:America is known for its work ethic and results


It is? Forgive me, but - known where?
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Xisiqomelir » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:33 pm

Corth wrote:Xis,

Care to point out for me what exactly in the internals is of interest? I usually need to be paid to read 26 page documents that are as dense as that one. :)


No problem. I'll stick to the top 2 here.

First, the geographic representations are massively off

21% NE
23% MW
34% South
21% West

Secondly 45% of voters self-identified evangelicals (not just Christian) is double the 2004 evangelical vote. There is no demographic data anywhere to support such a proportion.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby Corth » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:45 pm

Hrmmm, seems like you may have a point. Should compare that demographic sample to some of the other polls. Certainly McCain will have more support among southern evangelicals than Obama. If they are being over sampled then it would skew the poll undoubtedly.
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Re: Clairify for Obama or McCain

Postby therdann » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:05 pm

On television today a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25,000-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one he only draws 10,000-15,000.



The Republican spokesman replied,




'That's because McCain's supporters are at work.'

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