Adriorn Darkcloak wrote:You didn't insult an entity, you insulted a belief, one that I believe in. Therefore, you insulted me.
Insulting your belief and insulting you are two different things. I don't take it personally when people insult liberals, for instance. You have decided to take this personally. I'm sorry if I offended you, but you KNOW there are large numbers of people who call themselves Christians who do indeed believe in the way I've stated or use it as an excuse for their misdeeds.
No, Sarvis. You were being sarcastic. If you wanted to ask a question, or seek information, use good manners.
Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic. I know that's rare, but maybe you should try reading what people say without having judged them first. As for good manners, I return what I get. This is the second time you have flown off the handle at me over a slight misunderstanding. Maybe the problem isn't me?
"A key aspect of salvation to remember is that it is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9). Salvation from start to finish is the Lord's work, not man's. Human beings cannot save themselves. Salvation is both of God and from Him. Ultimately, it is God who saves us from God's wrath, which will most assuredly come.
Sarvis wrote:Christianity espouses that you are forgiven for your sins as long as you believe in Jesus. That's it.
No, it doesn't. And no, that's not it. Ignorant people might use that as an excuse to do/say the things you mentioned.
Salvation proceeds from the love of God, is based upon the atonement wrought by His Son Jesus Christ, is realized in forgiveness, regeneration, and sanctification, and culminates in the resurrection and glorification of all those who accept Jesus Christ as Savior."
So yes, I'm sorry for "insulting you" by paraphrasing the most typical belief I hear espoused by other Christians. (See, THAT was sarcasm!)
Ignorant people might also use that ignorant belief to insult Christianity, just for the sake of insulting organized religion. Like Sundara(?) said, you are forgiven of sins after Confessing them, and repenting having done them, seeking fully and truthfully to try not to repeat your sin. Etc. Etc.
Or, you know, it's for "all those who accept Jesus Christ as savior."
Sarvis wrote:After all, if you're going to call me ignorant the LEAST a "good christian," and a teacher to boot, could do is attempt to lift that ignorance isn't it?
Always, to someone who truly wants to learn, be enlightened, and progress. From your posts, all you seek to do is criticize, belittle and insult. You start posts with insults.
Really? Where? Come on, show me a post I ACTUALLY started with an insult, rather than something you took as an insult even though it wasn't directed anywhere near you.
So either you need to learn manners, or realize your internal anger towards everything in life. Almost any attempts in the past I have made to explain anything have been responded to by you with snide, cynical, belittling responses. It's not about you being a liberal, for I can have far better discussions with Avak or Kifle (dear God I'm saying this).
Again, examples please. You've not tried to explain much to me, other than the challenging aspects of your private school job vs. your public school job where I thought we came to an understanding. You sure you're not confusing me with someone else here?
For this whole frigging thread I've been agreeing with the comments made by liberals, and trying to inform Kiryan and Corth, Conservatives like me. That was, until you threw in the random attack-Christianity post.
Which wasn't directed at you, wasn't really an insult, and wasn't random as Kiryan had just posted about how he was a bad Christian who would be forgiven by believing.
How about before attacking and insulting Christianity on a completely false and ignorant belief, YOU try checking the facts first. It's one thing to use anecdotal information to back a claim, but it's another to insult using it.
Well, I've cited a source now. Your turn, I guess? I mean, if you're going to call what I said completely false and ignorant and tell me to check the facts... I just presented one. Your turn.
Sarvis wrote:Funny how I'm supposed to both be ignorant AND revamp entire economic systems in one day!
You still didn't answer his question...
Yes, and as further proof you are more interested in attacking me than in actual discussion you ignored the part where I said I'm still thinking about it.
EDIT: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-l ... ation.html
Apparently once a Christian believes in Christ he can't possibly lose his salvation either!
I'm the ignorant one? Maybe you should look to the people proselytizing your beliefs.
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