http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/09/hawaii ... index.html
Summary, bridge washed out in Hawaii to a state park so they closed it. Their estimate to fix it was 4 million dollars and they had waited a year already. Instead of waiting around for the government to get it done, the locals whose community depends on that bridge, rebuilt it in 8 days.
Now the next story will be that it didn't meet code so the state ripped it out or that 4 million was to build a much better bridge and now it won't get built. The real story is how much time and money our governments waste instead of getting the job done quickly, cheaply and efficiently.
Fixing roads 4 million or 8 days and some motivated people
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Re: Fixing roads 4 million or 8 days and some motivated people
I laughed when I saw the actual bridge. 4 million for something like that? Who the hell are the estimators working for our government?
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Re: Fixing roads 4 million or 8 days and some motivated people
The real question is:
Where can I sign my new construction company up for that job?!
Where can I sign my new construction company up for that job?!
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I'm sure the government was planning a much more elaborate, environmentally friendly, safer, (insert expensive adjective here) bridge. At least I hope to god they were.
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I'm sure the environmental impact assessment would have set them back at least $225k.
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yea and now that Obama rolled back Bush's order allowing the EPA discretion to decide whether an environmental impact study was needed on a particular project (rather than requiring them on all projects), it will definitely cost at least 225k.
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Re: Fixing roads 4 million or 8 days and some motivated people
When there is actually any fact behind your assertions, give me a call :P
Until then, you're just building this bridge out of straw(men).
Until then, you're just building this bridge out of straw(men).
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you want proof of what? proof that obama overturned bush's ruling? proof that environmental studies cost a small fortune or proof that a bunch of ignorant hawaiians built a bridge?
nevermind, instead go on and ignore it if you want just because no one will write an academic paper citing a bunch of sources so it can be proven to you.
nevermind, instead go on and ignore it if you want just because no one will write an academic paper citing a bunch of sources so it can be proven to you.
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kiryan wrote:you want proof of what? proof that obama overturned bush's ruling? proof that environmental studies cost a small fortune or proof that a bunch of ignorant hawaiians built a bridge?
nevermind, instead go on and ignore it if you want just because no one will write an academic paper citing a bunch of sources so it can be proven to you.
You're right, it's so much more fun to judge things based on hearsay and misleading information.
EDIT: I'd also note that the value of resources and labor that were donated by these guys is not stated. I mean, that could be important if you weren't dead set on creating the impression that the government was being wasteful. I mean, I'm sure the government would have spent more (what with having to pay companies seeking a profit to repair the bridge and all) but not giving all the information makes this seem deceptive to me.
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Re: Fixing roads 4 million or 8 days and some motivated people
Sarvis wrote:kiryan wrote:you want proof of what? proof that obama overturned bush's ruling? proof that environmental studies cost a small fortune or proof that a bunch of ignorant hawaiians built a bridge?
nevermind, instead go on and ignore it if you want just because no one will write an academic paper citing a bunch of sources so it can be proven to you.
You're right, it's so much more fun to judge things based on hearsay and misleading information.
No, it seems that you enjoy criticizing without doing any research, not citing any facts to counter the argument presented, and talking about what you know nothing about.
Simple, simple steps to verify the truth: search the news, contact an environmental consulting group to see how much an environmental impact assessment of a vehicle traffic bridge over a flood path will cost in a state park (double it for hawaii, or don't, it'll still be a large figure). If you're too embarassed to tell them why you want to know, just say you're a student writing a report.
Or, just use your imagination. Look at similar repair projects and view the bugets that are publically available. Ask your city councilman.
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teflor the ranger wrote:Sarvis wrote:kiryan wrote:you want proof of what? proof that obama overturned bush's ruling? proof that environmental studies cost a small fortune or proof that a bunch of ignorant hawaiians built a bridge?
nevermind, instead go on and ignore it if you want just because no one will write an academic paper citing a bunch of sources so it can be proven to you.
You're right, it's so much more fun to judge things based on hearsay and misleading information.
No, it seems that you enjoy criticizing without doing any research, not citing any facts to counter the argument presented, and talking about what you know nothing about.
Simple, simple steps to verify the truth: search the news, contact an environmental consulting group to see how much an environmental impact assessment of a vehicle traffic bridge over a flood path will cost in a state park (double it for hawaii, or don't, it'll still be a large figure). If you're too embarassed to tell them why you want to know, just say you're a student writing a report.
Or, just use your imagination. Look at similar repair projects and view the bugets that are publically available. Ask your city councilman.
Yes, I keep forgetting we're supposed to do your research for you! I hear Thomas Jefferson kept asking George III for tips while writing the Declaration of Independence!
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Re: Fixing roads 4 million or 8 days and some motivated people
1. Government declined to spend $4 million building a bridge.
2. People built the bridge themselves.
3. Super awesome good job!
What are you complaining about, exactly?
Nobody said anything about ripping the bridge out. You just said that so you'd be able to turn this into a rant about the government.
Did anybody actually say that or did you make that up too?
Do you know what the original plans looked like, or are you just bitching for the sake of bitching?
What exactly is your problem with this bridge thing? You're launching off into a rant about everything from Obama to the cost of environmental impact studies to people ripping the bridge out... except none of that actually happened in the article you quoted. Some people built a fucking bridge, hooray for them, end of story.
2. People built the bridge themselves.
3. Super awesome good job!
What are you complaining about, exactly?
Now the next story will be that it didn't meet code so the state ripped it out
Nobody said anything about ripping the bridge out. You just said that so you'd be able to turn this into a rant about the government.
that 4 million was to build a much better bridge and now it won't get built.
Did anybody actually say that or did you make that up too?
I'm sure the government was planning a much more elaborate, environmentally friendly, safer, (insert expensive adjective here) bridge. At least I hope to god they were.
Do you know what the original plans looked like, or are you just bitching for the sake of bitching?
What exactly is your problem with this bridge thing? You're launching off into a rant about everything from Obama to the cost of environmental impact studies to people ripping the bridge out... except none of that actually happened in the article you quoted. Some people built a fucking bridge, hooray for them, end of story.
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Shar: Leave the moaning to the people who have real issues to moan about like rangers or newbies.
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