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apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:03 pm

Wow this is great news. Apple will pull apps that are "offensive to large groups of people". Last time I checked, there are more conservatives than gays so we definitely qualify as a large group of people. Its time to get all sorts of pro liberal apps yanked on the basis that even discussion of these subjects is "offensive".

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple- ... d=13201555

Released in mid-February by the Orlando, Fla.-based Christian group Exodus International, the free app provided video, podcasts, blog posts and other content that reflect the group's mission as a "refuge for people looking for help in their journey out of homosexuality."

"Exodus is a Christian ministry that supports those wanting to reconcile their faith with their sexual behavior," the group says on its site, adding that it believes that changing homosexuality is possible because thousands of people in its network can attest to it.
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But, later Tuesday night Change.org, the group behind the petition, posted an update saying that the app was no longer in the App Store. The group said it wanted to keep pressure on Apple until the company released a

An Apple spokesman today confirmed to ABCNews.com that the company removed it.

"We removed the app from the App Store because it violates our developer guidelines by being offensive to large groups of people," he said.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:29 pm

And that's why Android will always be better. No corporate overlords to censor the available apps FTW!
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Kifle » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:36 am

Sarvis wrote:And that's why Android will always be better. No corporate overlords to censor the available apps FTW!


That's not entirely true. You still can't get porn apps on android unless you download a third party market app.

As far as conservatives being a large group. Well, here's the thing, Kiryan, this would only be hypocrisy it liberals attacked people without reason other than personal belief. You're basically saying 'bullies shouldn't be punished because they are people too!'
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:57 am

Try reading the article Kifle.

It was labeled as an "anti gay" app because it connects homosexuals to resources to help them not be gay anymore.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:57 am

Try reading the article Kifle.

It was labeled as an "anti gay" app because it connects homosexuals to resources to help them not be gay anymore.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:54 pm

kiryan wrote:Try reading the article Kifle.

It was labeled as an "anti gay" app because it connects homosexuals to resources to help them not be gay anymore.


So you don't think it would be offensive if the app linked to resources to help you not be straight anymore?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Ragorn » Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:56 pm

Can I upload an app that links Christians to helpful resources to cure them of the dangerous and degenerate life choice that was accepting jesus as their personal savior?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Kifle » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:18 pm

Looks like Sarvis and Rags have made my argument for me. Thanks guys.

Edit: Do you agree they should not allow porn apps on apple/android, Kiryan?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:49 pm

So you don't think it would be offensive if the app linked to resources to help you not be straight anymore?

Can I upload an app that links Christians to helpful resources to cure them of the dangerous and degenerate life choice that was accepting jesus as their personal savior?

== of course I don't think thats offensive. wtf is wrong with you? I don't have to download it. Now if it came preloaded on my device that would be different.

Made their argument for you? What the hell, they made my argument.

Replace Christian and straight with Communism, Socialism, Environmentalism, Femiminism, Liberalism etc... Shall we ban a salon.com app because it promotes a leftist feminist ideology which is ANTI conservative values? Should we ban religious jokes in the app store because they are anti religion?

Really you guys are pro Apple censorship using the standard of "offends a large # of people"? Is that really what your "open minds" are saying? Or is there just a different standard for homosexuals? because that is what I'm hearing.

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and I am ok with Apple censoring in its market place. Walmart doesn't have to sell porn just because someone wants to buy/sell it neither does Apple. I'd even be ok with Apple coming out and saying we will ban anti gay apps period because thats not the kind of marketplace we want... bnut to ban it because its "offensive" to a "large number" of people is stupid.

If an app can be "offensive" because it promotes a different view point or encourages others to adopt that view point... then any app promoting a different view point should be able to be banned if a sufficiently large group of people find it "offensive". I think conservatives can manage a sufficiently large # of people to ban many apps on Apple, is that where you want to go?

This is not an app for gay bashing, I wouldn't have bothered posting if it was a typical gay bashing app.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:24 pm

kiryan wrote:Replace Christian and straight with Communism, Socialism, Environmentalism, Femiminism, Liberalism etc... Shall we ban a salon.com app because it promotes a leftist feminist ideology which is ANTI conservative values? Should we ban religious jokes in the app store because they are anti religion?


You just said it doesn't offend you, so no.

Really you guys are pro Apple censorship using the standard of "offends a large # of people"?


You should re-read my first reply in this thread.

And remember, this is a decision made by a CORPORATION. You know, those guys you think can do no wrong?

bnut to ban it because its "offensive" to a "large number" of people is stupid.


Take it up with Steve. Free market and all. He's determined that banning anti-gay apps is more profitable somehow, and that's all there is to it. Profit motive trumps common sense and freedom.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Ragorn » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:21 pm

I don't see why you're so up in arms. This is just a corporation acting in defense of its bottom line. Laissez-faire economics, capitalism at its finest. Red-blooded American corporations not taking any shit from right-wing special interest groups.

If anything, you should be applauding them.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:44 pm

so what you're saying is that if Apple decided to start blocking gay porn and only gay porn, you'd be ok with that and wouldn't have a damn thing to say or protest.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Kifle » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:52 pm

kiryan wrote:so what you're saying is that if Apple decided to start blocking gay porn and only gay porn, you'd be ok with that and wouldn't have a damn thing to say or protest.


No, because I love lesbian porn. I'd be miffed.

Again, there is a huge difference and your analogies are not analogous. Being gay is still debated whether or not it is choice. Science leans towards it not being choice in the majority of cases -- as I'm sure there are some women and men who do go off the deep end and give up on the opposite sex due to traumatic instances. Anyway, being a christian is a choice. Being black is not a choice. Being a liberal is a choice. So, it would be fine for conservatives to make an app to help liberals become conservative; however, having an app showing you how to become straight is basically saying "the way you are naturally is wrong" the same as saying, "hey black guy, black skin is bad... have some bleach and try to take care of that."

The main point is whether or not the app is attacking choice or nature. In this instance, they attack nature and are demonizing a group of people for who they are intrinsically, by natural design. In your analogies, the attack is against a choice. Do you see the difference, or are you just that against homosexuality that you don't care whether or not you're right?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:57 pm

I'm for fairness. If the rules were the same for everyone, I'd bitch a lot less.

As long a folks are going to go around and say we can do this, but this almost identical thing is bad because its labeled Religion (or something else), I'm going to argue that its ridiculous.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Kifle » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:03 pm

kiryan wrote:I'm for fairness. If the rules were the same for everyone, I'd bitch a lot less.

As long a folks are going to go around and say we can do this, but this almost identical thing is bad because its labeled Religion (or something else), I'm going to argue that its ridiculous.


Name one thing a liberal has attacked a conservative for that isn't a choice on the conservative's end.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:44 pm

kiryan wrote:so what you're saying is that if Apple decided to start blocking gay porn and only gay porn, you'd be ok with that and wouldn't have a damn thing to say or protest.


We're not the ones who think everything corporations do is good.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:24 pm

which is why I expected you to agree that its wrong.

fortunately, you decided defending liberals was more important than intellectual integrity.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:38 pm

kiryan wrote:which is why I expected you to agree that its wrong.

fortunately, you decided defending liberals was more important than intellectual integrity.


Again, go back and read my first reply. I do think it's wrong, but you're equally wrong for trying to compare discrimination against something that isn't a choice to things that are a choice.

And in case you completely failed to understand my last couple posts, my point is that a corporation did something BAD to defend it's PROFITS. How is that unusual for me again?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Adriorn Darkcloak » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:48 am

Sarvis wrote:So you don't think it would be offensive if the app linked to resources to help you not be straight anymore?


No, it would be funny.

Ragorn wrote:Can I upload an app that links Christians to helpful resources to cure them of the dangerous and degenerate life choice that was accepting Jesus as their personal savior?


Yes, you totally should. Again, funny.

Kifle wrote:having an app showing you how to become straight is basically saying "the way you are naturally is wrong" the same as saying, "hey black guy, black skin is bad... have some bleach and try to take care of that."

The main point is whether or not the app is attacking choice or nature.


Is there a chance there are apps for people who have some genetic disease to get help or information? Like Depression, etc? If people believe homosexuality is a disease (genetic or mental) and they are trying to help the person with it, there is nothing offensive about it. It goes back to Sarvis' question above. Whether or not it's a choice or not has zero to do with this. Perception, belief, and the way it's expressed do.

And, to agree with Sarvis here, it's just a private enterprise (probably left-leaning in leadership) choosing to cater to one group over another. If we don't like, boycott their goods.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Vigis » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:25 am

If Apple were a government entity, I would be against the app having been removed. However, their ONLY responsibility is to their shareholders so anything that may negatively impact profits has to be cut out immediately.

Here is a hypothetical:

I manufacture dildos in the image of Jesus Christ. The largest chain of porn shops in the world originally decided to sell them. However, after numerous complaints, they pulled them from the shelves for being too offensive. What do I do?

A) Start a petition about how unfair it was and try to force them to put my product back on the shelf
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B) Find a different marketplace that will be more receptive, but get me less exposure to the masses?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:32 am

I can't really add much, I'm not sure I can be offended by anything legal.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Ragorn » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:54 pm

kiryan wrote:so what you're saying is that if Apple decided to start blocking gay porn and only gay porn, you'd be ok with that and wouldn't have a damn thing to say or protest.

Why would I care? Apple has made lots of decisions about what content is permissable in the app store and what isn't.

Chick Fil-A is closed on sundays because they're Christian-owned and the bible says no worky on Sunday. Makes it so us atheists can't get a damn chicken sandwich on a Sunday night. But fuck, that's their decision, guess I'll get a Mc20 piece instead.

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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:31 am

You guys are delusional if you don't think there would be a dramatically different public response and your personal response if Apple had banned a pro gay app instead.

I have 5 android's actually, but I find Apple's logic and your all unwillingness to criticize the lie dishonest at best... with the exception of Teflor who has always been a anything legal goes kind of guy.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:15 pm

Offense is an interesting concept, Kiryan. The theory is that it's harder to offend the majority because they have more power.

Furthermore, I find your analogy to be confusing. A pro-gay app isn't anti-straight. The app pulled definitely could be construed as being anti-gay (in a hypersensitive, bullshit kind of way). Furthermore, pro-gay apps are targeted at gay audiences, while the app that was pulled was not targeting straight audiences.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Ragorn » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:53 pm

Teflor Lyorian wrote:A pro-gay app isn't anti-straight.

^

What he said.

Following Kiryan's line of thinking, you'd also see WAY more blowback if a pro-Christian app were removed than if an anti-Christian app were removed.
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Postby Sarvis » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:28 pm

kiryan wrote:You guys are delusional if you don't think there would be a dramatically different public response and your personal response if Apple had banned a pro gay app instead.

I have 5 android's actually, but I find Apple's logic and your all unwillingness to criticize the lie dishonest at best... with the exception of Teflor who has always been a anything legal goes kind of guy.


What are you not getting? We don't condone Apple's actions on this matter. Our lack of criticism is mostly due to amusement that you're:

1) Just now realizing that corporations have power over what information you have access to
a) Have some control over how you think based on that power
2) Just now realizing corporations can do bad things
3) Are expecting us to act surprised and outraged that a corporation did something bad, when we tell you that every single day

Also, the primary group pissed off are Conservatives who are FOR Corporations being allowed to do whatever they want... so the irony factor makes it amusing.

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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Ragorn » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:21 pm

Sarvis wrote:What are you not getting? We don't condone Apple's actions on this matter.

I do. Apple can run their business however they want. The first amendent doesn't extend to the App Store, unless Congress passes a law telling Apple what they can and can't include.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:30 pm

Ragorn wrote:
Sarvis wrote:What are you not getting? We don't condone Apple's actions on this matter.

I do. Apple can run their business however they want. The first amendent doesn't extend to the App Store, unless Congress passes a law telling Apple what they can and can't include.


Do you also condone a bank selling insurance on bad loans without having the money to back it up? Legality has nothing to do with it, this is a shitty thing to do. Granted, it's not likely to collapse our economy like the bank thing did... but it's still an example of a corporation having too much power in our lives.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:46 pm

You gave the corporation the power by buying Apple products, and you gave the bank the power by taking out a bad loan.

The real question is: should you have any power?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Ragorn » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:47 pm

Sarvis wrote:It's still an example of a corporation having too much power in our lives.

Really, brah?
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Postby Sarvis » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:50 pm

Ragorn wrote:
Sarvis wrote:It's still an example of a corporation having too much power in our lives.

Really, brah?


So you condone that?
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Ragorn » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:21 pm

I find your claim that Apple moderating its app store means that "corporations have too much power over our lives" to be lolworthy.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:07 pm

Sure. It's not at all like a small number of corporations control 90% of the information available to us.
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Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:32 pm

Sarvis wrote:Sure. It's not at all like a small number of corporations control 90% of the information available to us.

Oh no, life might require effort!
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Postby kiryan » Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:35 pm

Anti tobacco campaign. This one particular line really caught my eye. Banning tobacco isn't anti-smoker?

I really don't understand how anyone can actually believe that. In this case they are banning all tobacco, including chew.

http://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/h ... 0636f.html

Haubenreiser said that the initiative isn't an anti-smoker issue and that the Student Health Services will help tobacco users quit.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:29 pm

Well, if smokers have taken offense, they haven't tried very hard to make that offense known.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby kiryan » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:48 pm

This is a bit of a stretch, but hints at the same bias. Basically if its a conserative ideology, anyone complaining about it constitutes offense. If its a liberal cause (like is alleged to have occured in past semesters according to the article), its allowed.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ohio-co ... on-campus/

It all began during Breast Cancer Awareness Month when student Ethel Borel-Donohue distributed about 15 flyers to a handful of students following her Probate Law I class. Borel-Donohue was in a paralegal-prep program at Sinclair Community College. The flyers she distributed, which you can see here, discussed the possible link between taking birth control/having an abortion and getting breast cancer. In that sense, the flyers caution against such forms of birth control and can be interpreted to be pro-life.

But apparently that “offended” at least one student who had previously had an abortion. As a result, Borel-Donohue was called into the office of Paralegal Program Chair who told her she had “no right” to be distributing such pamphlets.
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Re: apple pulls "anti gay" app

Postby Sarvis » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:01 am

kiryan wrote:This is a bit of a stretch, but hints at the same bias.


The only bias here is confirmation bias.
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