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lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby kiryan » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:24 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/1 ... 48865.html

This article is hillarious, the best part is to understand that at the end of the day, despite indoor cultivation of MJ growing consuming an estimated 1% of the nations total energy an dcontriubting to global warming and our addiction to oil, the recommendation is to make it more legal so people don't have to grow it indoors. Not to stop growing it. what an agenda.

Running your air conditioner to stay cool = bad and you should open up your windows and insulate your homes. growing pot while illegal = we MUST make it legal to save energy.

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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Sarvis » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:42 pm

The point is that illegal pot is more harmful to the country than legal pot. Think of the budget savings if we disbanded the DEA! You want to cut spending right?
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby kiryan » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:19 pm

the point is the bias.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Kifle » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:18 pm

Sarvis wrote:The point is that illegal pot is more harmful to the country than legal pot. Think of the budget savings if we disbanded the DEA! You want to cut spending right?


Perfect idea. Disband the DEA, and shift necessary jobs to local/county/state police. I bet we could cut billions out of the budget.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby kiryan » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:14 pm

I'm not necessarily against that...

On the other hand, let me tell you why it won't work. First off, we've lived with the nanny state so long that people don't know how to be responsible or take responsibility. Second, Liberals won't be able to stand the disproportionate impact of drug use on the poor and minorities. Lastly, people in general wont be able to stand people dieing in alley ways from OD and will say government has to do something.
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Postby Sarvis » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:17 pm

kiryan wrote:I'm not necessarily against that...

On the other hand, let me tell you why it won't work. First off, we've lived with the nanny state so long that people don't know how to be responsible or take responsibility. Second, Liberals won't be able to stand the disproportionate impact of drug use on the poor and minorities.


The impact that's already there, but coupled with massive prison sentences for a holding a single joint? Or for knowing someone else is holding a joint? Or for being black while withing 200 feet of a joint?

Lastly, people in general wont be able to stand people dieing in alley ways from OD and will say government has to do something.


Again, that's happening now anyway. Fail to see your point.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Kifle » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:37 pm

kiryan wrote:I'm not necessarily against that...

On the other hand, let me tell you why it won't work. First off, we've lived with the nanny state so long that people don't know how to be responsible or take responsibility. Second, Liberals won't be able to stand the disproportionate impact of drug use on the poor and minorities. Lastly, people in general wont be able to stand people dieing in alley ways from OD and will say government has to do something.


Because there's tons of people dying in alleys in Amsterdam, Portugal, etc. There's never been any evidence that legalization would turn this route, and all the evidence points towards the opposite.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:49 pm

I think Kifle might be on to something. By the way, any part of Europe is a terrible model for any part of anywhere else.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Kifle » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:37 pm

Teflor Lyorian wrote:I think Kifle might be on to something. By the way, any part of Europe is a terrible model for any part of anywhere else.


Agreed, but I think we would see similar results with a slow turnaround.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:15 pm

Kifle wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:I think Kifle might be on to something. By the way, any part of Europe is a terrible model for any part of anywhere else.


Agreed, but I think we would see similar results with a slow turnaround.

Sorry, I should clarify, I think you are on to something with disbanding or severely reducing the role of the DEA, not with legalization.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Kifle » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:14 pm

Teflor Lyorian wrote:
Kifle wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:I think Kifle might be on to something. By the way, any part of Europe is a terrible model for any part of anywhere else.


Agreed, but I think we would see similar results with a slow turnaround.

Sorry, I should clarify, I think you are on to something with disbanding or severely reducing the role of the DEA, not with legalization.


So you don't like the way Portugal does things by not legislating at all?
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:21 am

Kifle wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:
Kifle wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:I think Kifle might be on to something. By the way, any part of Europe is a terrible model for any part of anywhere else.


Agreed, but I think we would see similar results with a slow turnaround.

Sorry, I should clarify, I think you are on to something with disbanding or severely reducing the role of the DEA, not with legalization.


So you don't like the way Portugal does things by not legislating at all?

It's not so much what europeans do or how they do them, but the fact that they live in the wind shadow of the United States. They're just along for the ride but they think they somehow know better.

Honestly, history has shown that all the Europeans know how to do is to f' up everyone's good times. Worst of all, I really have no problem with the idea that europe should be equal to the United States. The problem is, I see Europe as needing to catch up to the US, not that the US should slow down to accommodate europe.

What does this have to do with legalization of pot in Portugal? In a way, what happens to Portugal may not be what happens to the US. They live in a far different environment, being dependent upon US and the rest of the EU - so they can get away with not contributing. We can't.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:41 pm

Teflor Lyorian wrote:
Kifle wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:
Kifle wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:I think Kifle might be on to something. By the way, any part of Europe is a terrible model for any part of anywhere else.


Agreed, but I think we would see similar results with a slow turnaround.

Sorry, I should clarify, I think you are on to something with disbanding or severely reducing the role of the DEA, not with legalization.


So you don't like the way Portugal does things by not legislating at all?

It's not so much what europeans do or how they do them, but the fact that they live in the wind shadow of the United States. They're just along for the ride but they think they somehow know better.

Honestly, history has shown that all the Europeans know how to do is to f' up everyone's good times. Worst of all, I really have no problem with the idea that europe should be equal to the United States. The problem is, I see Europe as needing to catch up to the US, not that the US should slow down to accommodate europe.

What does this have to do with legalization of pot in Portugal? In a way, what happens to Portugal may not be what happens to the US. They live in a far different environment, being dependent upon US and the rest of the EU - so they can get away with not contributing. We can't.


Is America so all knowing that it knows what is best for everyone? Just because people dont do things your ways, or you feel that socialism is okay, doesnt make them backwards. They choose how they want things, they grow up in thier own society and make desicions for themself. This kind of condesending attitude is why alot of the world looks at Americans as dicks.

They choose to run thier government and society differently, what gives you the right to judge them and say they are not equal to the united states? Last i checked the US was fucking up the world just as bad as anyone else. Wasnt the whole bail out thing, the US's fault? Wasnt the whole economic situation the US's fault? What makes you so much better and forward thinking than those backwards europeans?
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:59 pm

amena wolfsnarl wrote:Is America so all knowing that it knows what is best for everyone?

We know what is best for us, and it's more than enough to motivate the American people to do what they've done throughout history: save Europe and the rest of the world from the fascist Nazi regime, stop the global overthrow of communism dead in its tracks, and give Europe peacekeepers a ride because their governments don't pay for the airlift capability to actually put their money where their mouth is when it comes to stopping genocide and protecting civilians.

Again, Europe should be equal to the United States of America, but it has a lot of catching up to do - diversity (Europe looks more segregated than Chicago, which if you even knew, is terrible compared to the rest of the US), institutions without the debt hungry corruption of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, and Belgium, liberty, global projection capability, and most importantly, freedom for their people and the willingness of the public to sacrifice their hard earned money and beloved sons to propagate all of those for all people.
amena wolfsnarl wrote:Wasnt the whole economic situation the US's fault?

You mean the great hiccup of '08 where people are still wildly rich and no one starved to death (car and luxury good sales worldwide, by the way, are still fantastic)? Define fault. The rest of the world was so pathetically dependent upon the US's economy, a minor snag in ours for a few years - which is on the rebound "caused" the pathetic economies of Europe and Asia to "collapse" (bit ridiculous, don't you think)? Now you're really getting into the meat of the problem. Hilarious that Europe and the rest of the world blames the US when they've rear ended us in a economic fender bender.

Again.

Europe has a lot of catching up to do.
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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Adriorn Darkcloak » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:30 am

Your last two posts have been awesome Tef.


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Re: lol growing MJ is contributing to global warming

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:03 pm

Ehh.. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great things about Europe, things we could learn from and do better in the United States.

But of the two key points I'm trying to make here: Europe is very different from the US, so they're not a good point of comparison when deciding what public policy should be like here in the states. Secondly, that if Europe wants to be a world power, it has to get to that level on its own - that the world won't slow down just because Europeans have a hissy fit every time they're overruled.

Some European states are further forward than others in some areas, others behind. I like Europe in general. As far as partners and allies go, most of them have been great. But, like any partnership, the partners really need to know their place and understand the dynamic that makes it such a good partnership - especially if they want to change or influence the balance of power.
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