One difference between Toril of old and the MUD now is this BBS. I like that it facilitates communication between admins and players but I think we players overdo it. I mean, look at the number of posts. 20,000+ at this point? Geez. This board has led to squabbling and microanalysis of issues that were previously not pursued so vehemently. Personally, I'm not sure the MUD is a better place for it. We players should spend more time enjoying the game and less time negotiating it's features, in my opinion. I wonder to what extent this BBS alone has influenced the gameplaying climate on Sojourn 3?
Thoughts?
Downgrade the BBS!
I have to disagree with you there Jhorr -
I think this forum is great for discussion on additions, bugs, changes, even suggestions that affect the mud. Quite a number of modifications (for the better) have resulted from discussion and feedback from threads here. There are those that choose to lighten the discussion with humour, and then there are flame wars.. but these things happen, different people do things differently.
Ssryth.
I think this forum is great for discussion on additions, bugs, changes, even suggestions that affect the mud. Quite a number of modifications (for the better) have resulted from discussion and feedback from threads here. There are those that choose to lighten the discussion with humour, and then there are flame wars.. but these things happen, different people do things differently.
Ssryth.
A false sense of entitlement perhaps - but I am sure we are all aware that opinions expressed here are just that; there are no guarantees that the decisions (if any) reached by those participating in the discussion will be implemented. Admittedly, overwhelming response to certain topics might sway the decisions of admin, but it is still their choice - it's just that now there is a means to take into account what general concensus is on a given issue.
Ssryth
Ssryth
I think the bbs is a great thing but I'm almost tempted to see if NOT reading it will make me appreciate the game more for what it is.
Within those 20,000 posts I wonder how many actually GOOD ideas have been taken up by the coders, probably somewhere under 50.
Everyone wants to be recognized for their idea and/or make their class better by telling the imms to do this or do that, (not claiming innocence, i'd like to think my ideas are pretty good).
But get real, there is so much spam here and on the mud and in real life that I think most of what goes on in the bbs gets lost, especially when idea threads get flooded with opinions.
just my 2c
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Within those 20,000 posts I wonder how many actually GOOD ideas have been taken up by the coders, probably somewhere under 50.
Everyone wants to be recognized for their idea and/or make their class better by telling the imms to do this or do that, (not claiming innocence, i'd like to think my ideas are pretty good).
But get real, there is so much spam here and on the mud and in real life that I think most of what goes on in the bbs gets lost, especially when idea threads get flooded with opinions.
just my 2c
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jhorr:
One difference between Toril of old and the MUD now is this BBS. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't understand. What is the difference between this bbs and the bbs last wipe, or the wipe before that?
One difference between Toril of old and the MUD now is this BBS. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't understand. What is the difference between this bbs and the bbs last wipe, or the wipe before that?
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Hrmm..
There has been a public forum for Soj players for quite awhile now.
First, there was the independent Toril-Player mailing list during the Toril era, then we had the Turning Point UBBS for Soj2, and that has continued on into the current incarnation.
And of course, SOS2, the egroup that existed in the interim between Soj2 and 3.
As a staff member and forger, I assure you that these public forums in all their incarnations have been a tremendous tool for the staff. My theory is - people are going to bitch, whine and brainstorm no matter what. I'd prefer to have all of that in a controlled environment where the Staff can read the ideas and feedback, and the flaming and fighting can be stopped before it gets out of hand.
Should players spend more time enjoying the game and less negotiating it's features? Sure - but I can't control that, all I can do is offer you a public forum. How you use it is up to you.
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There has been a public forum for Soj players for quite awhile now.
First, there was the independent Toril-Player mailing list during the Toril era, then we had the Turning Point UBBS for Soj2, and that has continued on into the current incarnation.
And of course, SOS2, the egroup that existed in the interim between Soj2 and 3.
As a staff member and forger, I assure you that these public forums in all their incarnations have been a tremendous tool for the staff. My theory is - people are going to bitch, whine and brainstorm no matter what. I'd prefer to have all of that in a controlled environment where the Staff can read the ideas and feedback, and the flaming and fighting can be stopped before it gets out of hand.
Should players spend more time enjoying the game and less negotiating it's features? Sure - but I can't control that, all I can do is offer you a public forum. How you use it is up to you.
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<B>Shevarash -- Code Forger of Sojourn3
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Indeed, Shev. Thanks for your input.
Although, I remember reading in one thread that at least one staff member felt the players (by voicing so many negative comments) did not seem to appreciate the work of the admins. And that this actually led to them being more disengaged with the MUD to the extent that they had contemplated retirement. As a result, some projects the players were dying to see implemented were probably further delayed, which surely aggravated their impatience, leading to more negative posts, etc., etc.
If that really is how it went down, I'd say those few precious ideas were obtained at significant risk.
Although, I remember reading in one thread that at least one staff member felt the players (by voicing so many negative comments) did not seem to appreciate the work of the admins. And that this actually led to them being more disengaged with the MUD to the extent that they had contemplated retirement. As a result, some projects the players were dying to see implemented were probably further delayed, which surely aggravated their impatience, leading to more negative posts, etc., etc.
If that really is how it went down, I'd say those few precious ideas were obtained at significant risk.
I don't know of any projects thata were delayed for those reasons, Jhorr.
Sure, some staff members get demotivated on occassion by reading negative posts...but the general response is to stop reading the BBS for awhile, not retire.
And frankly, you pretty much have to have a thick skin to be a staff member here - we put up with alot of crap on a regular basis, for no pay. I'd venture to say that if any staff member decided to quit over negative criticism on the BBS, then they were probably on the way out anyhow. Burn out is very real, and happens frequently on a free MUD like this..
And further, the forums are about more than just obtaining ideas...it's also about disseminating information, building community...etc. Those latter two functions are actually more important, in my mind, than the game feedback and ideas.
My two cents, again.
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<B>Shevarash -- Code Forger of Sojourn3
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Sure, some staff members get demotivated on occassion by reading negative posts...but the general response is to stop reading the BBS for awhile, not retire.
And frankly, you pretty much have to have a thick skin to be a staff member here - we put up with alot of crap on a regular basis, for no pay. I'd venture to say that if any staff member decided to quit over negative criticism on the BBS, then they were probably on the way out anyhow. Burn out is very real, and happens frequently on a free MUD like this..
And further, the forums are about more than just obtaining ideas...it's also about disseminating information, building community...etc. Those latter two functions are actually more important, in my mind, than the game feedback and ideas.
My two cents, again.
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<B>Shevarash -- Code Forger of Sojourn3
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