General Problems

Archive of the Sojourn3 Gameplay Discussion Forum.
Wobb
Sojourner
Posts: 389
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:01 am
Contact:

General Problems

Postby Wobb » Sat Feb 09, 2002 4:44 am

I know my opinion on this mud is highly overlooked being gone so much and also being of the genre of player that doesn't have the time committment others do...but I wanted to bring up a couple of things that really bother me.

1. Lowbie Leveling. Although the exp boost 1-40 has been changed, the fact you can't stack nice gear and hit high(er) level mobs in this game is a real drawback to the REPLAY VALUE of this game. I have a high level troll, would be nice to start over with my nice (hard earned) gear and be able to level up a wee bit faster than I did the first time around. Having 30+ hitroll and not being EVER able to land a hit on you ARE mad mobs...SUCKS.

2. Also, related to low levels, what exactly is the point of limiting wells, portals and whatnot to >=20? I think its purpose has passed its day. Remember, there is enough "waiting" in this game as it is, you gotta wait for night and day to see things, you have to wait for boats, you have to wait to cast spells, to do everything...not that it takes long to level up to 20 in the first place but...if i'm helping some poor chap level up and he dies from one hit, then has to spend an hour or 2 CRing from hyssk, there goes his night! Now, there is no reason that an all powerful wizard/sorcerer whatever in the fantasy genre couldn't get that chap back to his corpse quickly, but for some reason, someone has deemed that type of activity twinking or something.

There is no reason for that. I urge the admins to reconsider at least these 2 points and at somepoint I think you will realize that certain limitations drive away the playability of the game for many. Again, while I may not be the target mudder you are going for, I think there are others who would agree that these suggestions would be welcome changes not completely undoing the tender balance you have obtained or are going for.

Thanks for reading.
Wobb
(part-timer)
gordex
Sojourner
Posts: 265
Joined: Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:01 am
Contact:

Postby gordex » Sat Feb 09, 2002 10:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wobb:
2. Also, related to low levels, what exactly is the point of limiting wells, portals and whatnot to >=20?</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm guessing it was easier to code ALL sub-level 20 PC's to not enter any portal/well then to have it JUST for elves.

Gordex - Gordex Travel Agency
kiryan
Sojourner
Posts: 7275
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:01 am
Location: Los Angeles, CA and Flagstaff, AZ
Contact:

Postby kiryan » Sat Feb 09, 2002 12:37 pm

well, you had level 1 chars mapping um/um2 or say astrals, jot, ect..., camping rares, teleport targets, not to mention snakes were supposed to have it rough getting off hyssk because being evil was originally supposed to be hard and heinous, and elves were supposed to have a kinship from not being able to leave the island for 20 levels.

id support a command that let lowbies get back to their corpses faster.

on the 30 hitroll ect, if you dont think leveling with a good set of eq is easier than leveling without a good set then i dont know. even with the hit/dam caps and levels being far more important you can get a warrior class char to 40 in less than 4 days. Ask a real newbie how long it took him to get to 40.

[This message has been edited by kiryan (edited 02-09-2002).]
Wobb
Sojourner
Posts: 389
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:01 am
Contact:

Postby Wobb » Sat Feb 09, 2002 3:10 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kiryan:
well, you had level 1 chars mapping um/um2 or say astrals, jot, ect..., camping rares, teleport targets,</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who cares? After a certain point you have to accept the majority of the players have been to all of these zones so "real" players aren't going to waste their time doing these kinds of things anyways. Camping a mob has never really gone away...regardless of level.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">not to mention snakes were supposed to have it rough getting off hyssk because being evil was originally supposed to be hard and heinous,</font>


And since when has it actually been more difficult for evils? Never in my opinion. Actually, at the wipe it was perhaps a touch more difficult because no one could "escort" you out of ghore. Any evil hometown can be ran out of if you know the directions. And we all know DK is a serious blow to this concept of evils having a harder life.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"><B>and elves were supposed to have a kinship from not being able to leave the island for 20 levels.

id support a command that let lowbies get back to their corpses faster.

on the 30 hitroll ect, if you dont think leveling with a good set of eq is easier than leveling without a good set then i dont know. even with the hit/dam caps and levels being far more important you can get a warrior class char to 40 in less than 4 days. Ask a real newbie how long it took him to get to 40.

[This message has been edited by kiryan (edited 02-09-2002).]</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The kinship thing on the elves is a cool idea, but forced in the wrong way. We don't force people to RP, we don't force them to do just about anything for the sake of RP...this seems like we are. If grey elves had some massive advantage that warrants going through the hardship of 20 levels on a separate island, I'd could see it being meaningful, but at the current time I just don't see it.

And for a troll warrior, leveling with a good set of eq or leveling naked has been the same to me. You can't hit anything worth the exp that makes having a higher hit/damroll useful. So you might as well kill smaller stuff you can hit and at that point if you are a troll or ogre you are going to waste it anyways. And again, who wants to go through that a second time? It's always been my belief that once you gathered a set of eq it was to your advantage and should be--to level up your next character faster. AT level 1, I should be able to hit a blind, hexxed, stunned, faerie-fired naked level 20 mob if my hitroll is 36!!!! (!!!!!!!)

Again, I'm not the kind of person who wants to make big waves so if there is some HUGE reason that these changes I've requested would screw up sojourn, then I'd hate to see that happen. I think what I've recommended will ease things up for lower levels which will both attract and maintain new people and will set a forward goal for people who wish to do some replay/reroll.

Wobb
kiryan
Sojourner
Posts: 7275
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:01 am
Location: Los Angeles, CA and Flagstaff, AZ
Contact:

Postby kiryan » Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:38 am

you have some good points, and i was just speculating and relying herse at the reasons why <20 cant enter portals. i do strongly disagree with you that leveling without eq and leveling with eq are even close to the same. well unless you have friends helping you level or that wont turn you down for a group.

I'm an experienced player and it took me somewhere around 8 days to make 35 with some eq hookups (not level 50 eq for sure, but far better than what any newbie would have access to). Im sure i could cut that time in half prolly even thirds. It is FAR easier to level with eq than without. I dont really think that is disputable as a melee class.

as far as playability, there are a lot better ways to increase the playability for new folks first being that exp gain rate is lower when you have more than 4 folks in the group (so its hard getting into an exp group), second the lack of maps and info, and third death and loss of exp, fourth that half to 3/4 of the people lower level than you have far better eq than you and level a million times faster.

Personally, I love that level makes a huge difference in your ability to hit mobs.

do you remember these days?

tell leaderx heard you were doing jot can i come?
leaderx tells you have at least 30/30 hit/dam?
tell leaderx no but im level 45
leaderx tells you sorry

[This message has been edited by kiryan (edited 02-09-2002).]
moritheil
Sojourner
Posts: 4845
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2001 6:01 am

Postby moritheil » Sun Feb 10, 2002 9:57 pm

Heh kiryan what about:
leaderx tells you 'err... you got any more hps gear on you?'
You tell leaderx 'ehh? no Image'
leaderx tells you 'I don't think you'll survive zone. ungrouping you.'

I've been told this has happened to some people.

Noone minds about h/d since with the new roles, warriors are not meant to deal serious dmg. But eq-based screening is still alive and well.
Yasden
Sojourner
Posts: 1597
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2001 6:01 am
Location: Lake Stevens, WA, USA

Postby Yasden » Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:32 am

*snicker*...Well, when Menzo is in...I think the drow situation for difficulty will multiply a hundredfold..*cackle*. I got the tour of Miax's mighty work, and it is the 8th Wonder of the World. Image

Beware!
kiryan
Sojourner
Posts: 7275
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:01 am
Location: Los Angeles, CA and Flagstaff, AZ
Contact:

Postby kiryan » Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:55 pm

im referring to the past, your comments about hps were valid to a lesser extent then and more so now.
Jegzed
Sojourner
Posts: 1240
Joined: Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:01 am

Postby Jegzed » Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:21 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yasden:
[B]*snicker*...Well, when Menzo is in...I think the drow situation for difficulty will multiply a hundredfold..*cackle*. /B]</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why?

Jegzed will still be based in Dobluth Kyor Image
I fear that Menzoberranzan will NOT be very welcoming to a male drow wizard.
Guest

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by moritheil:
<B>Heh kiryan what about:
leaderx tells you 'err... you got any more hps gear on you?'
You tell leaderx 'ehh? no Image'
leaderx tells you 'I don't think you'll survive zone. ungrouping you.'

I've been told this has happened to some people.

Noone minds about h/d since with the new roles, warriors are not meant to deal serious dmg. But eq-based screening is still alive and well.</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Happens a lot as matter of fact.. I'm anonymous to protect me and those I am referring to.

My troll war is presently 26, a group was hdng 2 zone, granted i'm not the "ZONING" level, but here's generally what happened.. I'm sitting with 500+ hp's yeah yeah.. peeps die with more in 1 hit, the group wasn't filled out, and was doin exp zone, would have liked to tag along, however i was denied and ungrouped saying i "Didn't have enough hp's", I look at it like this, I know the why's etc.. but here's my views from this situation..

1) Even with 500+ hp's, I had more then 1/2 the group.
2) The group was not "FULL" nor was it near capacity nor was there anyone "on the way" I would have gladly given my spot to a more "helpful" individ due to my lvl
3) I "KNEW" what i was getting into, why not let me stay?

etc... etc.. might add more later, having problems thinking straight at work, feel like crap.. blah..
Azzzmohazzz
Sojourner
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:01 am

Postby Azzzmohazzz » Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:19 am

Bah, Xirixxiss came to jot with me and a group (think it was a jaznolg group) and had 300ish hp unvitted. We did every fight, including thrym and loki fight, and every fight he fought with the rest of us just like everybody else, and he survived Image. He ate clouds, got frozen by thrym (as did I, except I -didn't- survive with +600 hp unvitted) and got smacked around by switchers, but did just fine. Not saying that having hp gear doesn't help, but if a little level 30 could survive all that, I think people should be a tad more open to those with less spanky gear. I mean, how are they going to get spanky gear if you don't take 'em zoning? Image
moritheil
Sojourner
Posts: 4845
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2001 6:01 am

Postby moritheil » Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:37 pm

*comf* anon. Only time I've refused anyone in the past 6 months is that one day I had a full group of 15.

Fordyce was lvl 25 I think, and survived Jot. I still vividly remember his panic every time his vit wore off.

Fordyce tells you 'vit me VIT ME!'
Fordyce tells you 'umm need vit asap...'
muma
Sojourner
Posts: 681
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2001 6:01 am
Location: Seoul, South Korea

Postby muma » Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:45 am

Wobb,

i disagree totally. becos u earned that eq does not mean you should have the rite to level ur new char. at an extraordinary rate. the fact that u get to put it on a lvl. 1 char. is even nice enuff eH? Image + it's not like it takes too long to level warriors.
muma
Sojourner
Posts: 681
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2001 6:01 am
Location: Seoul, South Korea

Postby muma » Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gordex:
<B> I'm guessing it was easier to code ALL sub-level 20 PC's to not enter any portal/well then to have it JUST for elves.

Gordex - Gordex Travel Agency</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

to add to gordex comment. if lowbies could enter wells/portals, all kinds of newbies would be dying on ethereal plane and what not. isn't that the point? it's generally not safe for them to go onto these planes with aggro's. or enter well into some totally foreign place.
Todrael
Sojourner
Posts: 1454
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:01 am
Location: MI, USA
Contact:

Postby Todrael » Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:52 am

Newbies were used as suicide explorers for many of the harder zones. Not being able to enter rifts, get shifts, etc, makes this much harder to accomplish.

-Todrael
torkur
Sojourner
Posts: 293
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2001 6:01 am
Location: Orlando, FL, USA
Contact:

Postby torkur » Fri Feb 15, 2002 6:40 am

Given the new spirit walk spell this wipe alone letting level 1's enter wells/portals/etc would have huge twink potential......
You could put nice fresh corpses every boot all over jot, ribcage, etc where u just well or fold the group to the shaman ignoring all the hard aggros in the way. That'd just plain suck.

Return to “S3 Gameplay Discussion Archive”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests